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Over all Los Angeles is becoming a better place.I have lived here all my life. there are many sad things about this place and very historic and forgotten things as well. Very diverse area that is mixing even more day by day. But at the end of the day home is home.
who is drawing these boundaries anyway? people, don't forget that communities are defined from within, not from without! the latimes is doing us all a huge disservice by ignoring the neighborhoods that already exist and lumping them - or parts of them - into whatever they see or define as a "neighborhood." this is bad practice.
Grew up on Arlington and 15th, so I am Arlington Heights but also relate strongly with Mid City. I, too, hope to return someday. Last time I lived there was in the early 70's but I've been back many times. I love that neighborhood and always will.
Parts of Crestview (North of 18th St between Robertson and Lacienega are included in the Pico/Robertson boundry.
Agree with 'e' below. If The Times really is responsive to comments, feedback and what is/has been going on at the community level, why haven't they taken a quick minute to look at the the neighborhood associations within Mid-City. Here, I'll help: http://www.piconc.com/index.php?option=com_wrapper&view=wrapper&Itemid=77
Times Staff: Do your job. You have a responsibility to report or feature accurate information. Interesting to throw 90019 as "Mid-City" and let the readers comments determine neighborhood boundaries, when the folks within the neighborhoods themselves have - for years - already done what you're attempting to do by reinventing the wheel from scratch.
don't know why tiny little carthay is mapped separately but picfair village (among others) is not, and we have a very tight community, distinct identity and active homeowner's association.
a neighborhood is a community first and a demographic political tool second - it doesn't work the other way around. this whole section of the la times works against the organic nature and evolution of community. it should support it.
I have just made a map of some micro-zones around L.A. - smaller neighborhood boundaries within larger areas such as Mid-City.
Check it out here:
Right now its more digital, but I wish I could do a map like the Megafauna one you made.
Maybe I can hire you!
Another argument in my favor. I went to lalife.com and compared the numbers for their "mid-city" which is composed of 90016, 90018, 90019 vs my 90034.
On a scale to 10, Mid-City scored 1.0 and 1.5 on safety and school, respectively.
90034 was bundled in with 90016, 90019, 90025, 90035, 90064, 90067. It scored 6.0 and 7.0 in safety and school.
There were only 13 homicides reported since 2007 using the LA Times stats withing 2 miles of 90034. Using the same criteria there were 63 for 90019, 68 for 90016, and 87 for 90018.
so much talk about boundrys in this discussion. i just know that i am in the 90019 area code which i beleive is Mid-City.
so the question is,
what makes this a good place to live:
from my upstairs apartment i have a great view of century city and when i am in my kitchen i can see the hollywood hills. i have bus stops next to where i live and can be anywhere in the city in within and hour to hour and a half. the street i live on is mixed ethnic group with blacks and latinos being dominant. as a white i am but one of nine here on this street. its this mix that i enjoy. you either embrace it or become miserable. i have a supermarket,pharmacy,fast food places within walking distance and when i am standing on the corner of venice and la brea while walking to ralphs i can see the hollywood sign. i have a police station nearby,wilshire station.
what are the downsides?
well i have to admit when i first moved here in 2003 it took awhile to feel like i fit in. i wasnt invited to alot of neighbors homes for drinks,that is except the gem i did meet. a person who has lived on this street for 36 years and has truly become a close friend. initally when i moved here we had some trouble what with the idiots and their guns. but two killings later that has subsided and has been fairly quiet since june of 2006. that was also the year i learned to be more self aware while standing at a bus stop at 6 in the morning on the way to work as i was robbed by a couple of fellows that wanted my money more than i did.
but i lived through that and felt like i finally belonged as i was finally mugged. we do have some people in my apt complex that cause problems. i have a landlord who is un-willing to do anything about them so with the help of the Tom Bradley center and LAPD i have other options . all in all for a small town fellow like me who moved to the big city, i give this area i call home a 7 out of 10 for places to live.
I an a State Certified Appraiser, Realtor and Investor (25 yrs)who has lived in the "Mid City" area since 1969 (Pico/Crescent Heights). In appraising, we are not allowed to include race or ethnicity in our neighborhood analysis. That said, I think the southern boundary should be raised to Venice Blvd. That still leaves several sub-markets within this area and I don't think the Times wants to get that specific. I have appraised and know most neighborhoods in L.A. County like the back of my hand. In regards to proximity to public amenities,entertainment, employment centers transportation and cultural diversity, mid city is in the top 5. Be proud!
Let's see. You agree with me that the borders for Mid-City aren't particularly correct. You even seem to agree with me about the questionable motives behind the mapping of Mid-City in relation to Beverlywood and Pico-Robertson. IMO it's motivated by ethnic and economic factors. Yet, you call me a racist? Sherlock Holmes you are not.
My particular neighborhood has had its moments the past 8 years. Attempted carjacking at 4am that I called the police and it took them almost two hours to arrive. On a Sunday at 12pm a guy walked up to a man sitting in a car and shot 5 bullets point blank range (miraculously he missed all those shots) right in front of my apartment. It has had police helicopters circling around, loud parties that go on past 2am, domestic disputes at the complex next and across from my building, two years ago a high school girl killed when walking home with friends very close to my home (two of her family's friends were killed while mayor Villaraigosa was meeting the girl's mother), etc.
That said, this place has gotten better. Less noise pollution, fewer police choppers, and some of the bad eggs have left the neighborhood. There's a 4 plex on my block trying to sell those units at about 600-700k, there's neighborhood meetings held monthly, and it's generally safe to get around here at night.
Would I want to live here the rest of my life? Doubt it but that's because houses are way overpriced (like the rest of LA), the public schools are okay at best, and I've been thinking of moving to another state with the way things in California are going. But for now I'm just getting by living here.
What a pathetic crowd of racists, Isaac chief among them. I've never seen such revulsion at being grouped with a different race or ethnicity. Diversity is one of the best things about LA. Either embrace it or move to Newport Beach.
That said, I do think the Times has it wrong. The western borders of Mid-City absolutely do not extend west of La Cienega. I agree with some on here that the sudden schism between Pico-Roberton and Mid-City falls uncomfortably upon racial lines. I am suspicious of the methodology of this project.
Isaac (a minority?), I do agree with you about the Mid-City being so carelessly extended to its Western edge. From a socio-economic point of view it's a different world. I don't think there are any synagogues east of Hauser Blvd? I have seen Korean, Sri Lankan and Indian Temples all along Crenshaw. There is a kosher market on Pico/San Vicente, perhaps that is why your area was 'lumped' with the rest of us? There are other nationalities with rather important religious buildings in the area east of Mid-City, but can't recall at this time. Anyway, my point is this: I'm quite sure most of us who live east of Hauser don't want to be lumped with those who reside on the 'other' side of Hauser. I'm quite sure a regionalist geographer/city planner compiled imformation and came up with an explainable reason as to why we are all in the same area? Belated Merry Christmas!
I've been through much of this "Mid-City" and have resided in this zone for most of the past 14 years. I still stand by my position that the Robertson area has little in common with folks in areas like Crenshaw.
From my experiences, I just don't generally relate with the people there. I'm a minority myself, so no need to use the race card here.
In my opinion, folks West of La Cienega tend to shop and mingle with other West LA communities. I find myself shopping in Culver City, Beverly Center/Connection, Palms, Pico-Robertson much more than I would with places east of Fairfax. I only pass by Mid-City when taking the bus to downtown or to the South Bay area.
Soro Dad and I are upset we aren't bundled in with Pico-Robertson or Beverlywood because we directly interact with them much more so than with the Mid-City crowd. Because of where we live and typically work, we could probably ignore dealing with Mid-City. By that reasoning, it's crazy to lump my area with Mid-City. I've shopped in Mid-City (Roscoe's makes some good chicken and waffles), but not nearly as much as I do with my Pico-Robertson/Palms/Beverlywood neighbors.
We have our share of good and bad elements in every neighborhood. I don't mock people for where they live as we all do what we can to survive in life. We can agree to disagree, but I wish you nothing nothing but good fortune.
Beverlywood Adjacent/South Robertson resident
Looking at these comments you can see what makes MidCity a good place to live, and in turn magnifies its downsides. You've got people like emarco, McNary, and Lambert, who feel they are too good to be a part of Mid-City, when a simple drive around the block will reveal the Neighborhood markers placed by the city, which include 'Mid-City'. Its sad to see people so passionate about not wanting to be classified under this neighborhood, and going as far as insulting it and calling it a slum or a ghetto. Last I checked, there is running water, electricity, and gas in these homes and complexes. Its nothing close to the real slums of the world like the Favelas in Rio de Janeiro, or the poverty ring surrounding Mexico City.
My family moved here when I was 5 years old. I lived on Crenshaw Blvd. north of St. Charles Pl. and south of Venice. I lived here on Crenshaw until 1999 when we moved to W. 17th St. (Now, so ridiculously called 'Johnnie Cochran Vista') between Norton and 12th St.(across from Mount Vernon Middle School[now so ridiculously named Johnnie Cochran Middle School]).
There is nothing more absurd than the claims that areas on the NorthWest end of Midcity are more diverse and should not be included. One look at Bronson ave. from its dead end at the I-10 to its intersection at Olympic Blvd. will, in about 1.5 miles, show you a range of low-income apartment complex families, and graduated 2 or 3 story house families.
Only ignorance contributes to the illigitimate view of MidCity as a 'bad' place. It's crazy to see people begging to be called 'Beverly Hills adjacent', or associating themselves with names as dull as beverlywood, reynier park, or faricrest heights. You ALL are Mid-City. Geographically you are in the middle of the city. North of South-Central, East of WestSide, South of Hollywood, and just west of DTLA(not as far west as you like to think for those who compare yourselves to a beverly hills adjacent[ridiculous]).
Instead of trying to run away from the Mid-city area and trying your hardest to rid yourelf of your correlation with it. Embrace the area, explore the local shops and cafes/restaurants. Mid-City is a beautiful place with beautiful people, stop ruining that image. You are Mid-City, quit acting like you live in Beverly Hills or these imaginary neighborhoods that are immune to the troubles of Los Angeles.
At 19, I love Mid-City and I can't imagine ever leaving it. The only way to improve a neighborhod is by action. I will do my best once out of school and working to improve the quality of life here and the image those-so ignorant-out-there see.
Hate-it-or-Love-it YOU, emarco, John McNary, Sherman Lambert, Isaac, are ALL Mid-City.
I Love Mid-City.
I love the demographic information you provided but I don't agree with the boundaries...
I've lived here for over 20 years and I've seen the positive and negative aspects of Mid-City but I think that everything is relative to each individuals experience.
I , for one, love the fact that Mid-City is right in the center of everything...
I'm everywhere I want to be in 20 minutes or less!
Thank you L.A. Times for this more intricate look into the neighborhoods of L.A. I grew up off of Cadillac and Robertson on Shenandoah.
Now I live in Brooklyn, but I still have those memories of.... The different colored Ice cream trucks that we would shoot our super soakers with.
The football games on the street.
The Helicopters at night that would keep us worried.
The corner store-Joes! that i would buy those sour patch things.
And Campos on Robertson!
I still love L.A.!!!
i grew up around cadillac and robertson love the area hope to someday get back to it and spend the rest of my days there
You don"t don"t have a clue where the boundries are, I have never lived in Mid city as your map states, Mid-City is east of LaCienega.Leave the mapping to the city, you never seem to get it right.
Mid city starts east of fairfax, not robertson. I live near venice and la cienega aand it is now called La Cienega Heights. And i agree, mid city is too big!! anything west of la brea is still considered the "westside", even though parts of that include mid-city.
The Times also could leave its eastern boundary of the south-of-Olympic Mid-City at Crenshaw, adjacent to what you denominate Arlington Heights (and east of that, Harvard Heights), rather than move the Mid-City boundary to Western, as I suggested previously. Country Club Park would stay within the map area where you place it now.
Times "Mapping LA" Folk: You need to edit (correct) your sub-head at the top of the "Mid-City" page.
It now reads: "This neighborhood includes Brookside, Crestview, Fremont Place, Lafayette Square, Little Ethiopia, Picfair Village, Regent Square, Victoria Park."
But your accompanying map does not so read.
That appears to be because, in your latest remapping, you took Brookside and Fremont Place and placed them on a slightly-inaccurate map titled "Mid-Wilshire" (your misapplication of the latter name).
How is this for a solution:
DELETE Hancock Park, Larchmont, and Windsor Square as separate mapped areas in Mapping LA's "Central."
CHANGE the Mid-Wilshire boundary to be more accurate as: Fairfax, Melrose, Western, and Olympic.
Add a sub-head / legend:
"This neighborhood includes Miracle Mile, Park La Brea, Fairfax, Citrus Square, Hancock Park, Windsor Square, Larchmont, Larchmont Village, St. Andrews Square, Country Club Heights, Wilshire Park, Windsor Village, Fremont Place, Brookside, Sycamore Square, and Park Mile."
CHANGE the Mid-City boundary to: Robertson (etc., as now,) Olympic, Western, Santa Monica Freeway (etc., as now).
Add a sub-head / legend:
"This neighborhood includes Crestview, Lafayette Square, Little Ethiopia, Picfair Village, Regent Square, Victoria Park, and Country Club Park."
CHANGE the "Koreatown" western boundary to be consistent (see posting for "Koreatown").
Add the corrected sub-head / legend for "Koreatown:"
"This neighborhood includes Wilshire Center."
(And you also could add any other discrete communities that are discovered by further Times research within "Koreatown.")
IN SUM: Doing what is recommended above will leave you, more accurately, with: Mid-Wilshire (north of Olympic); Koreatown (east of Western); and Mid-City (south of Olympic).
In your sub-heads, you get to include the pesky little neighborhoods, but you don't have to define their boundaries accurately (which seems to have been an elusive goal for your mappers / reporters).
Perhaps, someday, your technology will allow you to use dotted lines to further subdivide Los Angeles the way it is seen by people who live WITHIN the various boundaries.
But, at least, with the changes suggested above, Mapping LA's maps in "Central" will be less wrong.
I love the area. You can walk to everything, which is nice. But sometimes I think it should be called the Countryside, because I have a hard time getting cell phone and wi-fi reception.
My area, South Robertson, could have been lumped in with Pico-Robertson or Beverlywood. Although the post office for my area is the same for the people in Palms (90034).
Mid-City is not the region for South Robertson. Mid-City could and likely should arguably start east of La Cienega, but please leave the area of Robertson Blvd to La Cienega Blvd out of Mid-City.
I love Mid-City, but I think that the name needs to be changed to:
"Adjacent Beverly Hills Adjacent"
I've spent most of my life living in this area. I grew up in the Victoria Park and Lafayette Square neighborhoods and attended a top-tier public middle/high school located south of Pico between Fairfax and La Cienega.
What I love about Mid-city is that there is such a diverse group of people from various ethnic and socioeconomic backgrounds. Some may prefer not to be associated with it because it isn't considered to be a prominent area; however, I take full pride in being one of its residents.
Sure the area needs a little bit of a pick-me-up, but you'd be surprised at the hidden gems in some of these neighborhoods. Besides, we're centrally located to every part of the city, and who in L.A. wouldn't appreciate that?
Mid City has been designated for years by the city.
Basically per the city, Mid City runs from LA Cienega to Hoover and then from Adams Blvd to Pico Blvd.
You can find signage that designates just one of it's boundaries at Arapahoe & WA Blvd. There are also signs for "central city" downtown.
This is not to be confused with the Mid City Neighborhood Council (MINC) which operates within a subset of Mid City boundaries.
Our neighboorhood is called Faircrest Heights. We have acres of owner occupied houses and a few condos and apartments on the outskirts. Your "midcity" is three or four neighboorhoods south and east. It includes slums that are miles away.
You choose to recognize our true neighbors, Mid-Wilshire, Beverlywood, Palms and Pico-Robertson (to which we belong) as separate neighborhoods.
The real "Midcity" is east of Fairfax and centered on La Brea! The city and the police department recognize Faircrest Heights as a separate entity.
We are between La Cienega, Fairfax, Pico and Cadillac. Our neighborhood hosts Los Angeles Center for Enriched Studies (LACES), a diverse high performing secondary school and an excellent public elementry school.
Please respect our neighborhood and remove us from your "Midcity".
OKAY, this is dumb. There is no such thing even as mid city. The areas mentioned are legit though.
MId-City to me is Los Angeles in a bottle. On the westside of the Mid-City district are the individuals with the higher income while everything south of pico and east of la cienega is reserved to those of lower income. Mid-City has been referred to by many as a ghetto wasteland that until now was greatly overlooked by city council and the lapd etc. NOW that mid-city is in a half-way process of GENTRIFICATION is the area getting attention. But instead of aiding the youth with recreational centers and better materials at school, the LAPD and the councilman are ATTEMPTING TO KICK OUT THOSE WHO HAVE CALLED THIS "GHETTO WASTELAND" HOME. MId-City to me is a district of opportunity for those neglected by society as just the minority, leave the area to us "ghetto minorities" because a wasteland is better than no land at all.
As a resident of this area since the early 1960's, and a former member of one of the neighborhood councils in the area, you've got this totally wrong.
This is more a reflection of political gerrymandering than a reflection of the neighborhoods. It looks like you just copied the CD-10 council district map.
I've never even heard of some of the "neighborhoods" you mention.
Our home's local schools, post office, police station, fire station, etc. are all excluded from this map. THAT'S how wrong it is.
Little Ethiopia is not a neighborhood. It is a commercial advertisement for some restaurants.
What, you drew every other neighborhood and then was left over with this?
What commonality at all is there between the West Adams-style houses at Washington/Crenshaw and the Beverlywood-Adjacent houses at Robertson?
This area is far too large to be a neighborhood. It's almost as large as a council district.
Scissors, please. Reynier Park (look it up) has nothing in commn with areas east of La Cienega.
Mid city is too large and diverse an area to be lumped as one. the area east of robertson, south of pico to venice and west of fairfax has a different population from that on the same north south coordinates but east of fairfax. Ethnicity, education, income, age, etc. much more diverse.
It says on the description that Mid-City contains little ethiopia, however according to the boundries of this map, mid city's northern boarder is pico. Little ethiopia runs from pico to olympic so it would not fall in your designation of mid-city.
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