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    Beautiful place close to the beach, good families mostly and good schools. I loved growing up there but the people are quite snobby and there is alot of drugs and crime just like any other neighborhood, but all in all its a beautiful place and i have alot of love for my little corner of los angeles

    — jordan william
    October 3, 2012 at 9:52 p.m.

    what is missing in PP? as far as shopping, dining, etc..

    — Hale
    June 25, 2012 at 3:18 p.m.

    Pacific Palisades does have genuine problems with racism and hostility towards nonwhites, although northern areas of Santa Monica also have similar issues. Regardless of demographics, it is a boring place to live with very little to do, and control freak NIMBYs try to keep it that way.

    — Syl
    October 15, 2011 at 7:46 p.m.

    I've been working in this area for several years now and I would have to say most of the people here are very racist. I 'm sitting here in starbucks waiting to go to my next business meeting and the man behind the counter definitely ignored me while smiling at the rest of the customers to serve them first. What a joke.... he is of the same ethnicity as I am and yet he is trained to be this way, without even realizing the stupidity of his actions. This is the real color of racism however. People mindlessly follow the status quo whether or not it's even in their own best interest.

    — anon
    September 2, 2011 at 12:37 p.m.

    Jeez I don't know why everyone jumped on Rex so hard. It's true.. it's very weird that the Palisades has so many whites in a city that has so little whites compared to other major metro areas. Still, that doesn't mean that the residents are overtly racist. If anything, Palisades residents are so liberal that they would lynch anyone who was overtly racist. These comments on the other hand....

    — jeez
    July 8, 2011 at 4:50 p.m.

    Everybody chill. It's a largely white area because the real estate is crazy expensive and almost everyone I meet is in "banking".... but the days of only white people getting paid are slowing changing as they should. The Palisades used to be a Republican stronghold and still has a vocal conservative population, but it's a very liberal and relaxed place. The opposite of creepy. I love it here, and within minutes I can be in Venice or even downtown. The air is the best.

    — Captain Canuck
    May 12, 2011 at 8:35 a.m.

    Crime here is relatively low because there's only 2 roads out of Pacific Palisades and because anyone who doesn't live here stands out like a sore thumb. In our neighborhood we have also taken some new measures to insure that robbers on out streets will get caught.

    — NoCrimeHere
    April 16, 2011 at 12:38 a.m.

    Who cares if beautiful PP is mostly white? (back in the 1960s, L.A. was 80% white) East and South Central L.A. are mostly Latino yet do people comment on the racial make-up of those areas? My neighborhood in the Hollywood Hills is probably over 80% white as well. It's the way it is.

    — Boochie
    September 1, 2010 at 11:05 a.m.

    The thing I'm most curious about is Ames Tiedeman's statistic that "95% of everything ever invented, was invented by white people". If that is not the most clear example of somebody pulling a statistic out of their behind, I don't know what is.

    — Fact Checker
    August 25, 2010 at 10:28 p.m.

    All I'm saying is can't someone talk about the Fourth of July Fireworks or PaliSkates or Village Books? Do we have to get sucked into this kind of vitriol?

    — ValleyGirl Tori
    August 13, 2010 at 12:22 a.m.

    This discussion was really deppressing! It just seems really out of proportion to the original comment: that its "creepy' that 90% of Palisades residents are white. It does seem a little strange, doesnt' it? But, then again, PP also has one of the older communities around--average age 43. Is everyone going to jump on my comment now and tell me how the founding fathers were really old too and how no one under 25 ever invented anything meaningful? I love PP, but if this blog was all I had to go on, I really don't know what I would think.

    — ValleyGirl Tori
    August 13, 2010 at midnight

    My wife and I went to the Palisades for lunch last Friday (7/30/10) and a little shopping and strolling about the village area. The weather was so nice (mid-60's with a mild ocean breeze) and the village area is so clean and well maintained that all I could think about is how nice it must be to live there.

    One thing I did notice was that there were a number of stores that were vacant in the village area. A sign of the times, I suppose. My wife talked about leasing one of them and opening an antique store.

    Like I said in an earlier post -- maybe some day...........

    — Pali Outsider
    August 2, 2010 at 10:21 a.m.

    i would like to move to pacific palsades because it seems nice, i mean the weather seems cool and clean there are trees and there is no tagging or scary gang banger guys hanging around. this conversation is a little confusing though.My daughter will be entering 11th grade and the school she would have gone to scared us,my grandson was at school when they had a lock down, he's in first grade. i don't like to say i hate too much, but really, i hate it here. i want to eat granola and wear sandals even when its cold.iwant to smell good air not alcohol or pot.my kids are that 87% white,(letter quote) but is that like saying youre almost a virgin in PP?heritage is heritage, and every American has puzzle pieces, just as every American is a puzzle piece. we are also pretty darn poor so will she be unhappy at this school or is it as dreamily co existant as some would like to put forth?i want the same things a certain group of people want, peace,safety,friends. speaking of our forefathers wasnt there something about four freedoms?or is that just my Norman Rockwell obsessed memory?at 2 o'clock in the morning aren't mothers dreams pretty much the same? whether you are dreaming in khaki, or plaid?

    — vivian clubb
    July 6, 2010 at 12:09 p.m.

    You got the boundary wrong.

    That whole area north of sunset on the east side of the map is also Pacific Palisades. The boundary should extend up that ridge that follows where Allenford dead ends and encompass that entire area all the way up to where Alta Mura stops.

    That whole area w/ streets like Amalfi, Capri, D'Este, Napoli, Monaco, Sorrento, Etc... That is all PP.

    — pmc
    June 7, 2010 at 12:06 p.m.

    The one thing that Pacific Palisades residents have in common is not the color of their skin, but a desire to live like actual humans in an environment without urban blight. It is helped by strict zoning laws - there are no liquor stores or billboards, and that helps keep it nice.

    The predominant culture in the Palisades is not based on it having a lot of white people, but that the men generally act like gentlemen and the women act like ladies.

    — Andy W.
    May 10, 2010 at 3:05 p.m.

    I'm reading these blogs to give me a sense of LA since I'm considering the move from Philly next year. Of course, Philly as a city has its' problems BUT I can certainly see why there is so much violence in LA. Just reading the racist comments on this blogs gives me aggression. You couldn't get away with that it Philly. You would get your *ss beat instantly for making those comments and no one would do a thing about it. Ignorant people without manners. I'm so shocked.

    — Jessica
    May 6, 2010 at 1:10 p.m.

    I just want to say hello to Ann McGonigle of Pacific Palisades! Remember Santa Clara U!

    — Angelo Domecq
    April 2, 2010 at 5:31 p.m.

    I don't understand why I have to like everyone. I live where I live because I don't like mexicans. I don't like the way they look I don't like the culture, I don't like the circus music, I don't like the sharpie eyeliner the women wear. I don't like the diaper in the gutter etc etc. So if that makes me a racist then I wear that badge proudly.

    — sailbyme
    March 21, 2010 at 11:58 a.m.

    I lived in PP from 1948 till 1968 when it was a real village. My uncle,Bill Zeckindorf bought Mt park property. I and my family lived on the property till 1968. Lake Luzet (shrine lake) was built by Evert Macelory along with the wind mill, house boat, and the water wheel house. I have some pictures and a lot info. FRED

    — fred b. griffin
    February 11, 2010 at 11:51 a.m.

    Its my favorite place to be when in L.A. Access to the beach, L.A, and Malibu. In the summer you can hike in the hills of the Topanga State park and hit the beach in a matter of minutes. Take a simple trip to Gelsons Market and you never know who you may meet !

    — Carl V. Benevento
    February 8, 2010 at 7:32 p.m.

    Just reading all the blogs. I see America still and will always have a race problem.Why can't we all just get along?..lol.

    — Rob
    February 7, 2010 at 12:25 p.m.

    My family and I moved to West Los Angeles, in Sept. 1945. We lived on Veteran Avenue. At Emerson Jr. High School, many of my friends lived in the Palisades. I loved going there and visit, party, it was fun. They had a group called the PYL, Palisades Youth League. We would have Progressive Dinner parties there, going to one house for appetizers, then salad, then entre and finally desert and party time.

    Those were the good old days.

    — Sandy Castor
    February 5, 2010 at 9:33 a.m.

    I moved here in 1943 when the Palisades was more of a working class suburb of Santa Monica. As Santa Monica built up, more professional people and entertainment stars moved in. As LA filled in, land became more high priced forcing lower income people out. Contrary to some views, the Palisades has always been racially and ethnically friendly. Those who are not are the exception, not the rule. The community has had great leadership ove the years. Since 1972, it has had the granddaddy of neighborhood councils, which have successfully strived to preserve the Village character of the community as well as lead in preserving the Santa Monica Mountains as parkland. Whle in the military I lived all over the U.S. and the world and I found no place as great as the Palisades. I wouldn't want to live anywhere else.

    — JACK ALLEN
    January 20, 2010 at 5:05 p.m.

    I am working on a project involving trash and I found it extremely surreal that all the trash on the streets white. I also have never seen so many white napkins in a discarded in one particular setting

    — cati
    December 5, 2009 at 9:10 p.m.

    Ian, on 8-28-09 > "I am 100% White. If I enter Gramercy Park or Boyle Heights will I come back out without some form of abuse, verbal or physical, taking place" ?

    Ian, unless you go into Boyle Heights wearing smarmy plaid golf pants, a Viking helmet, or your visible tats, and are specifically looking for trouble, you will blend right in.

    What you don't seem to understand is that many of the residents of that neighborhood are also racially 100% White, (although culturally Latino and Hispanic). There are Basques, Spaniards, Mexicans, Italians, French, Chileans, Argentinians, and Cubans that have lived for generations in Boyle Heights, (not to mention the Russian Molocan, and Jewish population that mostly moved out by the 1950's but their great-grandkids are now slowly gentrifying and moving back into their family's old rental properties). Although today in Boyle Heights most of the residents are of Mestizo heritage, many still do have a "huero" family line with aunts, uncles, and cousins that would blend into any Pacific Palisades neighborhood without even being noticed. That cousin with red hair and freckles, the uncle that looks like Horatio on CSI! Watch the Telemundo television Network during prime time, and research the folks that run every single South American country, (well except for Peru), and you will find that most of them are also 100% White.

    Don't be afraid to visit Boyle Heights! Just leave your silly golf pants at home!

    — Pacific Palisades Neighbor
    November 27, 2009 at 2:45 p.m.

    Seems like some people (Rex and Erick) have established their views and they are entitled to their opinions. Hopefully they won't move into the Palisades as people who live there are friendly, intelligent, and kind to their neighbors, no matter what their race is. Sad they can be so judgemental about an area and people they know nothing about! May I suggest a less creepy place-- such as the parks in Santa Monica at night? Lots of diversity there!

    — Jazz
    October 29, 2009 at 3:05 p.m.

    I have lived in both Europe and Australia. All over the World those that can afford it live where they feel most at ease. That means hard cash. In exchange you get better security, low crime rates, no problem neighbors, and all the trimmings. If you have it, enjoy it ! I would live there starting today if I could pay those prices.

    — Ian Ward
    October 22, 2009 at 6:42 a.m.

    So I read over the comment and I guess some people just judge by what they see. Its a shame how they don't take the time to see the beauty of the Palisades. I am a latina, living in Mid-City and I attended Palisades High school. I wouldnt say that the are is racist, its people that dont take the time to enjoy whats there. It's a beautiful place. I loved being there.

    I think that you should really look into the background of the Palisades Village and then you can say your comments, just dont be quick to judge by what you see or hear. Not everyone is the same. :)

    — Dolphins
    September 30, 2009 at 10:01 p.m.

    I am a Palisades resident of many years.

    I read through some of the comments. They are definitely racist. I would not characterize Pali residents to hold such biggoted views. If anything the most important color here is green. Unfortunately, these may lend to snobbery and elitist views.

    My neighbors are of mixed colors and beliefs. They are multilingual and from every country on the planet. Some are conservative. Others, progressive. There are a few working class stiffs here as well as poor. But, for home owners in the area we are speaking of great wealth.

    The natural and built environment of the Pacific Palisades is perhaps one of the most beautiful in Southern California. Come visit. You will love it. You will be invited.

    P

    — Phillip
    September 30, 2009 at 1:04 p.m.

    Ames, your comments are blatantly racist, ignorant, and offensive. Rex, I agree with you that there is something strange about an area being 90% white in a city that is so incredibly diverse.

    By the way, I lived in South Central last year and was out late quite frequently. Not too creepy.

    — Erick
    September 12, 2009 at 10:32 p.m.

    I am a Southern Californian by birth but have lived in NYC for twenty years. My neighborhood is very mixed racially and culturally and gentrified to point that cost per square foot it is the same as PP. I would trade if I could.

    I wouldn't trade because it's all white but it certainly wouldn't bother me. I think people cluster in neighborhoods more because of their incomes and amenities than race. They certainly do here in NY- Hey look at Harlem; black neighborhood with white huge numbers of whites moving in. They are moving in because prices are better, apts. are bigger and the views can be the best in the city.

    PP is worth it if you can afford it. I'm sure if you have friends of different backgrounds that they will still be your friends.

    — Jeff
    September 12, 2009 at 7:59 a.m.

    Doak;

    Your comment is rather bizzare to say the least and makes you sound like an elitist snob. There are many very desireable places to live in So Cal besides the ones on your little list. Also, I hope you have a lot of money to spend on a house because the real estate in the areas you mentioned is extremely expensive.

    — Pali Outsider
    September 1, 2009 at 5:05 p.m.

    I recently visited the area from Arizona. I would only consider living in Malibu, PP, Brentwood, Bel Air, Holmby Hills, Beverly Crest, or Beverly Hills. The remainder of SoCal can and should march into the Pacific Ocean.

    — Doak Winston
    September 1, 2009 at 10:45 a.m.

    Rex -(Aug 1st), You find 89% White population "creepy" ? Why ? Did anyone assault you ? Did anyone abuse you ? Did you hear derogatory remarks made within your hearing ? Seems not, because you go to Pacific Palisades to play tennis, so it can't be that bad, can it ?

    Let's reverse the situation. I am 100% White. If I enter Gramercy Park or Boyle Heights will I come back out without some form of abuse, verbal or physical, taking place ?

    The bottom line is - Will I receive the same kind of treatment that you receive in Pacific palisades ?

    Food for thought. Call it the Fear Factor or whatever, but it exists and not just in America. Wherever you go in the world people tend to group in clusters where they feel more integrated with the majority.

    This may not be the fairest or most civilized approach but it is a fact on the ground.

    — Ian
    August 28, 2009 at 1:17 a.m.

    Its the only place in Los Angeles (proper) I would live. My other choice in LA metro area would be LaCanada-Flintridge. I grew up in LC-F in the 80s and 90s and it was a great school district (its own), and was close to the mountains for hiking in the summer and ski-ing at Mt. Waterman in the winter. Truly awesome!

    — Kris
    August 27, 2009 at 1:34 p.m.

    From an outsider's point of view, PP looks like a pretty ideal place to live. A village-like atmosphere yet close by all the big city ammenities. The ocean views aren't too hard to take either. Maybe some day..............

    — Pali Outsider
    August 25, 2009 at 3:39 p.m.

    The area south of Sunset Blvd., including Paul Revere Middle School and the neighborhood between it and the Riveria Country Club is more Brentwood than the Palisades Riveria is.

    Move Revere and its homes into Brentwood and give the Palisades back the Palisades Riveria.

    — Steve Dickey
    August 19, 2009 at 3:47 p.m.

    Hey Rex, are you sure? Glad I don't intend on living there if it's residents are like that. Hey, PP has the highest percentage of Caucasians in LA.

    — Craxy
    August 18, 2009 at 11:45 p.m.

    Rex,

    So it is Creepy being around white people? Go look at the 1960 Census when America was 90% white. I guess you must be very creeped out. Last I checked white people wrote the Constitution and Bill of Rights. White people settled the land and made America great. As recently as 1970 California was 8o% white. Creeped out again? 95% of everything ever invented has been invented by white people. Creeped out more? Go to South Central at 3:00 a.m alone and walk the streets. Now, care to redefine your use of the word creepy?

    — Ames Tiedeman
    August 18, 2009 at 3:44 a.m.

    I visit the area sometimes to play tennis. My impression of the area? Nice homes, and good beach climate. Creepy factor? 89% white people. Many of these people are Democrats and Liberals, but they don't want to live anywhere near peoples of color and minority cultures. Hardly a diverse area and I think the residents prefer it that way.

    — Rex
    August 1, 2009 at 7:59 a.m.

    Inclusion of Topanga State Parkland into the neighborhood area calculation artificially creates low density in an otherwise moderately dense community.

    — Scott Carter
    June 3, 2009 at 6:08 p.m.

    The Palisades Rivera, that is north of Sunset Blvd, is in Pacific Palisades. Everyone in this neighborhood would consider themselves part of Pacific Palisades. This was the location of Reagan's old home (before they moved to Bel Air). The L.A. Times referred to this area as Pacific Palisades. This is the first time I've ever seen the Rivera neighborhood listed outside of Pacific Palisades. Hope this is corrected in 2010.

    — David (Pacific Palisades)
    June 3, 2009 at 1 p.m.

    This is regarding the map of Pacific Palisades. The area in the southwest corner that you have labeled as Rustic Canyon is actually what the people who live there call Santa Monica Canyon. (I moved there with my family in 1958 and lived there for a number of years; my mother still lives in the same house on Sycamore Road). The Rustic Canyon label should be moved to that area above where you have Rustic Canyon Recreation, then move the Santa Monica Canyon label to where you currently have the Rustic Canyon label.

    — Robert Bayer
    June 3, 2009 at 11:39 a.m.

    Pacific Palisades

    is a neighborhood in the city of Los Angeles in the Westside region of Los Angeles County. It contains Castellammare.
    The neighboring communities are Brentwood, Encino, Santa Monica, Tarzana, Topanga and Woodland Hills.
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