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This is a beautiful seaside town. I loved the parks by the sea, just gorgeous. The teachers at Leland Elementary School and San Pedro High School are some of the smartest my children ever had. You get out of the education what you put into it, so don't believe the negative comments about that. We lived on S. Gaffey St and no one even wanted to steal our 1999 Ford Windstar. We decided to move because we can't speak Spanish fluently and got tired of the long commutes to get work elsewhere. Also the air and ozone and radioactivity in the air are a problem due to local industries and hundreds of past atomic bomb tests in Southern California and I was very sick with lower back pain and severe stomach problems for 10 months until I stopped drinking the tap water which also has high levels of arsenic. Cancer rates are very high here, but if you are just staying a few months and don't have children, this place is awesome. We loved eating at Maria's.
I worked in San Pedro for nearly a decade. As an outsider, I had a unique perspective on this town.
Bottom line: I loved and hated the town.
First the Hate: I worked in a bad part of town at 21st & Mesa. I had my car broken into, confronted by cholos leaving one late afternoon (it got dark early).
Also too, as an outsider, I had had enough of "Pedro Pride" to last me a lifetime!! RUDE AS HELL LOCALS!!
"Hey did you work on the docks or boats", "what year did you go to Pedro High", were typical questions posed by proud, blue collar, knuckle draggers. At the Vons at 13th & Gaffey, I once even had an angry Croat man loudly tell me in heavily accented English that "I should not be here taking jobs away from locals!!" Pedroites seemed to go out of their way with their ridiculous pride to let you know you thankfully didn't belong there. After awhile, I just lied and said I went to Pedro High, Class of 87!
I also noticed a huge gulf between
groups: the loud, proud, blue collar Pedro pride Eastside types and the gentrified PV wannabees in the pretty hill neighborhoods along Western Avenue and in the Southwest along 25 Street both next to RPV.
Now the Love: Incredible, great restaurants! Some of the best ethnic restaurants in all of LA are here. An incredible variance of food from all around the world! Greatest BBQ chicken sandwiches at Busy Bees on Walker and best chicken and potato nuggets at Slavko's on Pacific. I loved the steak and pasta at Trani's at 9th & Grand. Birthdays with my co-workers were fun at Babouch's on Gaffey and I loved breaking plates at Papadakis (sorry to hear it closed). Pretty Scenic drives along Paseo del Mar. LOTS of Culture in the area-i.e many museums, great waterfront (Ports of Call) and the Cabrillo Aquarium! Great sense of history all around!
I loved and hated my time in Pedro. Wonderful attractions, Great Restaurants, very scenic pretty seaside town. The cliquish Locals (especially the multi-generational Blue Collar types)...well....... :((
Pedro just wasn't for me though.
To bad San Pedro is a part of LA, could have been a perfect little town. Now LA uses it as a dumping ground.
Sad to say, but it use to be a nice town, still some areas are but not many. If you have children you need to move, LAUSD is not concerned about the education of children. Today, ANOTHER day off!!!!
Well I'm 16 years old I've moved around ALOT from Longbeach , Compton , Lynwood, Torrance , Bixby Knolls and now I am in the miraleste estates in San Pedro & I have to say its not so bad every city has there good and bad areas but like I said that's every where you go , Like I think San Pedro is not as bad as bad as people say ! -NinnahValerie
San pedro is to Pv, what wilmington is to san pedro, u do the math!
San Pedro is the best town around so cal. I moved to Orange county 10 years ago and this place is a rats nest of crime and skin heads. My plan was to make millions and move back to Pedro, but the Republicans made the sky fall and I've been stuck in this crap hole ever since. Defend what you have in Pedro as you did in 1861 and be proud brothers and sisters. Beware of the poison in the OC and don't let the cancer spread.
I just recently moved to San Pedro (Cabrillo Beach/Point Fermin/Palos Verdes area West of 23rd North of Gaffey) from the San Fernando Valley and I'm very happy with my decision!
I live near the tip of the peninsula which is quiet with great ocean breezes. There are some nice ocean views and park areas right up the street like Angel's Gate, Point Fermin Park & Lighthouse, and Averill Park.
During the recent heat wave my friends were envious because my place was cool and comfortable, no air conditioning needed! I live on the 3rd floor of my building which gives me awesome views of the beach and PV Hills, the greatest ocean cross breezes, and some interesting peacock sounds at night which I like but I think for some people can be a little irritating.
I love this area, however just like any city there are problem areas beginning near the 110 fwy and stretching south down to Pacific and West to about 23rd street. I mostly stay above Gaffey and do all my hanging out, shopping and errands along Western and PCH (Palos Verdes, Rolling Hills, Torrance, parts of Lomita, Torrance, and Redondo Beach). I prefer the ocean parks and hiking areas along the coastal drive along 25th. Beautiful gorgeous scenic driving!
I plan to stay where I'm at for at least a year or so. My goal is to move over to the Palos Verdes area but I'm happy and comfortable till then in San Pedro and would definitely recommend it to anyone considering this area!
"Anything passed 23rd street is basically in a nice area"
Got to agree with that one. Problem is, shortly after 25th street you start running into the Pacific Ocean. Maybe the city can start filling in the ocean and make nicer areas since they appear to have given up on below 23rd.
I agree that SP is a nice place to live, "If you can afford to live in the nicer areas".
My father use to take us there all the time as kids. It was beautiful, safe, worth the drive to spend all day there. Now that i took my own family back last week, i didn't feel so safe anymore. The place looked like a dump. The locals were giving us the evil eye, so i packed up my family and split the scene. Never to return again. I will only visit the beaches up north where there is hardly any riff raff going on.
I love the the ocean.Hearing the fog horns from the port, watching a container ship sail by as I drive down from western ave. What I don't like, is the racist slurs and harassment. It has grow increasingly worse.
I used to live in san pedro, i had to leave, only because i had my car stolen 3 times, my girlfriend nearly got raped,
my neighbors continually argued, and had nightly beer parties till all hours of the morning, the helicopters flying around incessantly, and tired of painting over the graffiti over and over again, other than that, its a beautiful place, really it is,
I was born and raised in good ol San Pedro, Class of 80' SPHS. great memories, esp. mary star dances! A town that once felt like mayberry! to some it still may! However, as i got older, and got married, and having kids, it was time to depart, with so many apartments, and lack of nice parks for children to feel safe in, it was a no brainer in leaving, not to mention the crime going thru the roof! If you plan to live there, beware!
I've lived here the majority of my life. I am only 19, but that's beside the point. San Pedro is in my opinion the best place to be. I can't understand why someone would think so poorly of this city. I've never once been a victim of a crime here. Gang members have never messed with me and im constantly walking alone at night. I feel safe where ever i am here. (i dont expect that from everyone but hey i did grow up here)
San Pedro probably has more nice areas then it does bad areas. Anything passed 23rd street is basically in a nice area..and there are plenty nice neighborhoods before then. The south west of SP is all nice, most of the west, alot of the south east, and faar north west (by the home depot) is very nice.
800 upland is ok neighborhood.
800 Block of Upland. What can you tell me about that area? Am I safe?
From March 24th to March 28th we had 10 Grand Theft Autos in my town? Where are the police? I live just west of Western Ave. and the crime is starting to climb up here too. I am afraid to walk outside at night and I go walking daily but I have to make sure I get back home before the street lights come on now. It wasn't always like that here in the seventies. Again, where are the police?
I have lived in this town for over twenty years...and have watched the neighborhoods getting worse and worse every year. Of course, there are the good neighborhoods, but, you have to live WAY above Gaffey, or the very end of Gaffey, or the very beginning of Gaffey over by Home Depot. Anything below Gaffey is a dump. Even Whiskey Flats is taking a dive and that is a great old neighborhood. I believe that everyone that says San Pedro is a great town does not venture off of Western Ave.!
Daniel - I'm so very sorry to hear about your horrible experience. The fact is crime happens anywhere and everywhere. I'm really very sorry.
People - do your research before moving your family into any neighborhood. Don't rely on other's opinions. Load the familia up in the car and spend quality time in the neighborhoods you're interested in. Try before you buy.
Now..... My experiences in San Pedro are POSITIVE! This town has some of the most amazing neighborhoods and the BEST people and the richest history around.
Pedro is not like LA, I don't feel any tension or alarm. It reminds me of Santa Monica and Venice in the 1970's... I love San Pedro.
My wife and I lived in SP for 2 years and recently we were fortunate enough to move away to another small town with less drama. My experience living in SP was negative, although I tried to change my perception of SP, the negative outweighed the positive. The crime in SP was off the scale for a city of only 11 square miles. I was a victim of an assault and we also had our car broken into. When I was assaulted I was hit over the head with a large beer bottle then kicked in the face. I was bleeding profusely and when the paramedics arrived they too were apathetic. One of the Paramedics ask me what happened then he hollered to the other paramedic that we can treat this one as an ass- sault. On the way to the hospital I was riding in the back of the paramedic ambulance and I was observing the attending paramedic wipe down the interior of the ambulance with a towel afterwards he offered me the same towel that he just cleaned the interior of the ambulance with so that I could wipe the blood from my face. I was shocked. I told him hell no, not after you cleaned everything with it, he became offended and responded by saying that he keeps a clean wagon and the towel was okay. What a joke, and this was suppose to be a professional???. My wife and I are at ease being away from SP however, there is crime here but not at the magnitude as SP. Recently I had to run an errand to SP and as I drove through SP I thanked GOD for the blessings he has bestowed upon my wife and I by showing us a pathway out of SP.
Oh, Gabriela. I feel so sorry for you. You really shouldn’t have posted a negative comment about our virtuous town. Now the same 5 people who blindly and continuously defend our community on this board will come out and tell you how wrong you are, what a peaceful place this is, we don’t have a gang problem/theft problem/rape and violent crime problem/homicide problem. These are just “isolated anomalies” that never really happen. Or my personal favorite: “This is a city like any other city with the same types of problems.” Any day now, I expect to see Julie Andrews twirling about on a lush grass and flower covered hill while singing a beautiful Rodgers and Hammerstein tune.
I have lived in San Pedro since 1979 and the crime is getting worse and worse. Click on the crime tab and you will see that Wilmington has less crime per capita than my beloved San Pedro. We need serious police patrols and not just nighty constant helicopter sortes. It's getting really bad with the vehicle break ins. Joe Buscaino, please help us!
I agree with the jaw-dropping reaction my friends have when I give them the full Pedro tour. The problem is most people only see the poorest part of town right off the freeway - the majority of San Pedro is hidden from anyone who is either just visiting, and then they spread the misconceptions to others. Disparaging the town is easy because we have no marketing money here to really show who we are.
And to the lucky ones in the nicer, view neighborhoods - please invest in the overall quality of life here by shopping local in some of our great downtown stores & restaurants, join the alley clean up teams & neighborhood councils, get involved the YWCA and other organizations providing programs for local kids. We are all part of the future here and what we do makes the difference. I've been here five years and I've seen major improvements in the downtown area due to diligence from the community. Keep it up!
My wife and I are both professionals and moved to Pedro in 2010 from Redondo Beach. We, frankly, were really concerned about the move, but decided to take the plunge because we could afford to buy a (big) house with a backyard, panoramic ocean views, and two car garage for the same price as we had been considering paying for a no-view, no-garage condo in Redondo.
To put it bluntly, we couldn't be more pleased. We do live in one of the nicer areas in Pedro, but we are constantly pinching ourselves in disbelief - how did we pull this off? We noticed over the weekend that from our deck, we have a view of the hollywood sign (with binoculars), but that is really inconsequential compared to the city, harbor, ocean, and Catalina views that dominate our home. Most of our friends thought we were nuts when we moved, but their dropped-jaw faces when they see our neighborhood and views tells the story.
Our neighborhood is cute - almost quaint - with well maintained, large, 50s-era homes. Within a block of our house we have everything we need in terms of shopping and restaurants. We are within walking distance of some of the largest and most well maintained nature preserves in all of the LA area, and are just blocks from the ocean. Pedro boasts one of the best beaches for kiteboarding, windsurfing, and sailing, and I'm looking forward to picking up one of the three next summer.
To be honest, I'm a little embarrassed of the area east Gaffey, and it's true that there are some not so pretty and not so safe areas of Pedro. I hope that the city can clean these areas up, especially the areas right around the end of the 110 - this area is always the first place people come to in Pedro, and creates all the negative first impressions that people have I their minds about our city.
For my wife's and my part, we couldn't be happier. We had always hoped that we could sell this house one day and move back to Redondo. Not anymore - what we know about Pedro makes us know that we'll never leave!
There are so many good and caring people who call Pedro home; but in the recent years we have seen a change in the environment. We really need to secure and invite their ownership and participation in our community to make every effort to clean it up. It saddens many of us who have been here for "forever" to see some who disrespect our love of this area by simply throwing or disposing of their trash in whatever alley, street, or corner they find. Come on we are better than that. Wait till we get some new restaurants in the new Cabrillo Marina area, more jobs and opp0rtunity for everyone.
I sent a comment in a while back in response to James' comment that San Pedro is 'lost'. My comment wasn't published so I will assume it was a technical error since my comment was simply to make sure people who read this do not think San Pedro is only as James describes.
LAPD has been good to our Neighborhood Watch and we know the Lead Officers well. They are nice people and I believe that if you get to know your neighborhood cops they will get to know you and support improvements you work with them on. Together, that's the key here. Work together. Crime stats are actually average for Los Angeles. The other day I met someone who lives here and thought the population of San Pedro was less than 20,000. It's actually over 80,000, so you have to look at crime stats understanding this. Yes, we have the whole range of crimes here every year, from petty to serious, but so does every other part of L.A.
What we also have is a city that has some unique features that people do not know about generally (I'm assuming that's what Matteo meant). Very unusual for Southern California. It is a neighborhood city, multi-generational, multi-cultural, ethnic, fishing, sea views, beaches (one is A rated), and in many ways the American Dream of many immigrants who came here and have become successful and prosperous working in industries such as fishing, shipping, and related fields.
Last 'real' town on the ocean in Southern California that has not be co-opted (and cordoned off) by the wealthy. Like it or don't like it but be realistic about what it is. For most, a great place to live.
Don't tell people about Pedro, keep it the way it is!
If you want to express your opinion this is the place to do it. But to label any positive comments as laughable just invalidates your view because it's obvious you won't admit all that San Pedro is - and it has many great neighborhoods. For my part, I've written balanced comments about SP and I live in the old section so I have no idea what you mean by the 'blast' zone (and I will always respond to total write-off negative comments about a neighborhood I live in and know well). Anyone reading this section, keep in mind this is a self-contained urban city of nearly 90,000 people, not a 'neighborhood' as the L.A. City Council brands it for political purposes. Because this is an actual city, with good and not-soo-good areas (sometimes block by block), to discount positive comments about San Pedro, which by any accounts is varied (both statistically and by just driving around) would prove my point much better than your dismissal.
Regarding your comment about the LAPD - do you belong to a Neighborhood Watch? If so, you would get to know your area LAPD Lead Officer, many of whom I've met and ours in particular is very responsive to our needs. Participation in Neighborhood Watch groups put you on the LAPD's radar as someone to watch out for and respond to. The officers are people with names. Humanize them and they will humanize you. LAPD involvement is only a small part of what we all need to do to build and maintain healthy urban neighborhoods, which in most cities like San Pedro are economically and culturally mixed. We, the residents are the largest part and it is our responsibility to get out and make a difference.
Complaining into the empty air just raises blood pressure and enforces one's view that nothing can be fixed.
For my part, I've seen things change significantly in parts of San Pedro the do-nothing complainers wrote off long ago.
Where are you LAPD Harbor Division? We are losing San Pedro on a daily basis due to failed enforcement by the LAPD Harbor Division.
The good comments on San Pedro are laughable and not accurate nor wrote by residents that live within the blast zone. Check the crime stats if you want true commentary on San Pedro, we are in trouble here.
We are losing San Pedro, We have lost San Pedro.
This is the kind of weekend where I check in with the comments here because the reality of life in San Pedro is so different than the really nasty remarks I sometimes see here Just this Friday night (oooh, after dark people!) we were downtown and there were bands playing on the main streets, lots of people out walking, and we went to a sell-out show tribute to the Beatles at the Warner Grand Theatre, one of the last great movie palaces of the 30's that has been lovingly restored.
On Saturday we went down to the waterfront to tour a visiting Russian Tall Ship (masted), then down to the opening ceremonies at Cabrillo Beach for the Pacific Islanders who have paddled their large canoes across the Pacific Ocean to extend awareness of environmental issues and to reconnect to their ancient roots. These and other beachfront activities were free. No need to drive or take a long bus ride to have a picnic on the beach, or cool off on a hot day. Some of the cliff-side neighborhoods along the south coast that overlook the beaches are really beautiful, so telling someone not to move here…..laughable. (And that’s how residents here often respond to these kinds of insults, because we know the truth).
As a city (pop 85,000), San Pedro is far more than the sum of its parts, some of which are struggling and have crime, like any city with an urban core. So it is fair to talk about a certain area with problems, but to generalize about all of San Pedro? Undermines any credibility, sorry. The unique and special aspects of this seaside area far outweigh any of the disadvantages and this is why Pedrans are so loyal and live here generation after generation.
In the mid 60s I, just turned 16, drove my father from Bakersfield to San Pedro in a 12 cylinder, black 1949 Lincoln. ( L.A. traffic scared him, so he let me drive. ) Dad went to work as a welder at Todd Shipyards; I got lucky and got a job at the El Taco. My brother Dave, who was a year younger than I, worked there, too. Dad was an alcoholic, who blew his check at Smugglers' Cove and other local bars, so we had to work to eat. It was the best of times and the worst of times.... for us hillbillies from Kentucky. Dave and I rode a Honda 50 and had a great time; later we bought a '56 Chevy and cruised the Sunset Strip with our dates. We went to a teenage nightclub called Pandora's Box. I moved back to Kentucky in my 20s, but I have two grandsons there in Southern California. I hope they're having as much fun as we did when we were their ages. Boys, call me -- if you want some Christmas money!
This is the kind of weekend where I check in with the comments here because the reality of life in San Pedro is so different than the insulting remarks I sometimes see. Just this Friday night (oooh, after dark people!) we were downtown and there were bands playing on the main streets, lots of people out walking, and we went to a sell-out show tribute to the Beatles at the Warner Grand Theatre, one of the last great movie palaces of the 30's that has been lovingly restored.
Want to know what life is like here? Today we have the choice of going down to the waterfront to tour a visiting Russian Tall Ship (masted), or down to the opening ceremonies at Cabrillo Beach for the Pacific Islanders who have paddled their large canoes across the Pacific Ocean to extend awareness of environmental issues and to reconnect to their ancient roots. These and other beachfront activities are free.
We are a real, live 85,000 pop city, and those of you who call this whole place by derogatory names are misrepresenting San Pedro as a whole by a long shot. The problem with this town is that it although we pay our taxes for (among other things) the services of the Los Angeles Visitors and Convention Bureau, we never get anything from them so it's up to the residents to speak up and discount the rumors that seem to come from those who want to lash out for undisclosed reasons. And like a previous poster said, they've probably have never been outside the poorer parts of town nor do they participate in any of the many activities available around here open to all. You don't need to drive or take a long bus ride to have a picnic on the beach, or cool off on a hot day.
San Pedro is far more than the sum of its parts, some of which are struggling and have crime, like any other urban area. But the unique and special aspects of this seaside town far outweigh any of the disadvantages that come with big city living and this is why Pedrans are so loyal and live here generation after generation.
"Don't move there", come on, I have lived in Pedro for almost 15 years and I do not see myself going any where else. Yes, we may have some "bad" areas, but don't put the entire town down because of that. "Saving to move", save a little and you can be my neighbor on Paseo Del Mar. Look for it, I'm sure you do not know where that area of Pedro is......
San Pedro is on track to gentrify. Best kept secret in the City of L.A. Think Silverlake, but drivable and walkable, and 10 degrees cooler in summer.
I love the way people talk about gangs and crime. I don't lock my door when I'm out during the day...can't be bothered. Neighbors watch out for each other here.
Harbor views, breezy all through summer, great food from many cultures...cute, cute old houses everywhere, affordable...easy bus commute to downtown on the express bus...all good!
Not a very good place to raise a family. The schools are bad and there are no baseball diamonds for the kids. The streets are narrow and filled with parked cars. Don't go to Port's O' Call unless you speak fluent Spanish. Otherwise, it's better than Wilmington.
My family and I relocated to San Pedro in 2004 from the midwest and stayed for 1 year. We loved it!! We lived in one of the apartment complexes off of Brett Place and enjoyed the close community feel. After you stay there a while, people are fairly friendly and make it a home-time feeling! Our kids went to Park Western and Dodson schools and both were excellent! We loved the Harbor views as well as the Verdes views on the other side of hill. If you desire an affordable place away from L.A. that has a neighborhood feel and close to the beaches, this is the place! We were also involved with community organizations and they were active in order to counteract much of bad things developing in the area. I do anticipate coming back to San Pedro someday because it makes you feel like you're living in a real little diverse town with all the amenities!
I feel compassion for "Don't" who is raging in anonymous anger, perhaps in isolation from a community that could reach out and make life better for him/her. Read thru the comments and you'll discover that San Pedro is not one thing, as any city is not one neighborhood, one culture, one ethnicity, one attitude, nor one common voice. Far from being a 'ghetto', San Pedro is made up of many neighborhoods, some generations old, stable, peaceful, thriving. And yes, some streets (not entire neighborhoods, nor by any stretch of the imagination, an entire city) are sketchy and are struggling from all the usual socio-economic stressors. But even in these weed patches you will find many urban gardens, those of us who watch out for each other, take care of our properties, renovate, pick up trash, join Neighborhood Watch, talk to our community police who really care about their town, to identify and work to get rid of the bad apples found in any urban area.
For those who are really interested in getting to know San Pedro, it takes some time and commitment to discover this is a city with a unique voice, vantage point, and culture. Not for everyone, but no place will suit everyone. John Bettis, songwriter to many musical luminaries, San Pedro native, and soon to be inducted into the Songwriters Hall of Fame, said today in the Daily Breeze, "San Pedro is one of the forgotten destinations in Los Angeles...There is a San Pedro character, a way people are ...a certain civilized roughness to the place and its always been that way." We are this and much more: Working class, port town, artists, military veterans, generations of immigrants who've found wealth and success building businesses and homes here, fishing families, independent souls, fighters and creative dreamers who have found a place in San Pedro.
To live here with a commitment to engage and shape the future of this town - this is what really makes a San Pedran who chooses to stay. I do hope that "Don't" does find a way to improve their situation. Often, it's a state of mind and taking action, one small step at a time.
I've live a lot of places here in LA, and I can tell you, San Pedro is one of the WORST. The streets are filled with gang bangers, and other miscreants. I lived in Sun Valley, and this is right up there. San Pedro is a ghetto, and that's being generous. I've had my car vandalized numerous times and my neighbors have had robberies, etc. I'm saving my money to move out, if I live that long! The gangs cruise the streets at night, and that's unsettling to say the least. This is a horrible neighborhood. If you value your property, DONT MOVE HERE.
I prefer Wilmas over Pedro.
San Pedro is a Destination with great places to go and enjoy with the family. the three main cultures (Italian, Croatian's and a mix of Latino culter) in san pedro makes it a perfect balance to experience something different every day. San Pedro could be a better place and a better city like Palos Verdes if it could subside from L.A. we are not L.A. we are better than L.A. I LOVE SAN PEDRO.
Great people make this a great town to live in. Also all the wonderful sites to see ,great places to eat, and the parks. Averil park is just awesome with the small creek flowing throughout. I remember fishing for crawdads back in the 60`s and 70`s when I lived there. The old fishermans fiesta, portsocall, cabrillo beach and the running of the grunion, the tidepools , the awesome breakfasts at Pacific diner,the lighthouse,Tranis majestic, the korean bell monument, peckpark ,paseo del mar, south shores , the boys and girls club,the old Perrys five and dime, petersons market, cross pharmacy, paulyanns bakery,7thst.elementry, holy trinity,the elks club, 22nd st landing, the harbor but most of all what makes Pedro a great place is the "FEELING"
Really curious about San Pedro?
I read something here about a person who said they were exploring Pedro block by block. I found her website: sanpedrobxb, if you want to check it out. This lady walked all the blocks of Pedro, sometimes by herself, and sometimes with 'guest walkers', including councilwoman Janice Hahn, and over about nine months documented a lens-eye view of architecture, waterfront life, maritime heritage, gardens, parks, favorite restaurants, and all the quirky sights that make this place what it is. She lived here her whole life and still had misconceptions about some areas of this town, so she took to the streets to share her findings.
It's pretty interesting, and something people should see if they want to decide for themselves just what kind of town what San Pedro is. The hundreds of images are true folk art, unpretentious and enthusiastically local, yet without interjecting personal prejudice into the mix.
I appreciate that she did this, and so do a lot of other people, apparently, because she has a well-deserved following on facebook.
I'm reading all these posts and thinking fondly of my home town. I moved away, I'm happy I moved away and do not regret my decision. But, even before I visit the family, the first thing I do is take the Paseo drive. You may move away from Pedro but it never gets out from under you skin, I still own multiple Pedro Shirts in various colors with both old school and new print styling. It is a unique place in that respect, especially within the megalopolis that is L.A. Though it is no longer MY home, it will always be home.
It's looking very good that the retired and historic WWII Battleship, the USS Iowa, will be coming to San Pedro's waterfront. I am happy that the Harbor Commission decided to approve the location at the foot of downtown, where it will help revitalize this area, long neglected by the Port as an integral part of San Pedro's financial health. Let's hope the IOWA group gets Navy approval and raise the funding to make this happen!
I've been to the fountain a lot of times. At first I thought it was a waste of money but now we go down there a lot, walk, ride bikes, take the dog. The fountain is really beautiful, and the musical shows are spectacular. Although kids do get in it once in a while, there is a guard there, and what most people see driving by is the kids playing in the walkway between the two raised pools, splashing each other and getting wet. It looks like they are in the pool, but they are not. there is a splash pool down the way for kids to run into. They just need to fix the bathroom by the entrance to the cruise terminal.
The fountain can easily be fixed. The children will have fond memories of the pond for the rest of their lives. The Pond is very beautiful. Very beautiful things bring up property values. Valen's points are on mark. Joe, relax. it's a pond. Money well spent. It gives people who don't live on The Hill something to marvel at. Get it? life isn't that bad, somebody does care about you and your environment. If you want to see water Joe, open your eyes it's everywhere. This pond broken or not is a refuge, hell maybe they should turn it into a swimming pool and issue the guard a lifeguard uniform. Imagine the joy. Toddlers only...gotta be under 40 inches tall. Throw a bunch of pool toys in there too. Screams of Joy will be heard as the kids swim "under the bridge". Leave the music on, I like it.
downside! people swimming in the new fountain. This addition to San Pedro was only a public swimming pool. How many millions did this cost? Went there a few weeks ago - broken again! Guard said kids were swimming earlier and broke it.
South Shores Magnet for Visual and Performing Arts, in San Pedro, was just named a "Blue Ribbon School" by the Federal Government, as one of "the 304 best schools in the nation." This is in reply to a denigrating comment earlier about the schools in San Pedro. Like all cities, there is choice here, and parents who work with their kids every day, year in and year out, will see the rewards. Thanks to the support of his parents, my husband was a 'Boys and Girls Club' kid, went to Pedro High, and optional summer school programs, and yes, Head Start, and was awarded full scholarships to four major universities, including Boston University, where he attended. He's now a senior executive for a South Bay company. Because of all the great qualities of this community, we moved back to San Pedro a few years ago and our daughter will take full advantage of all that this town has to offer, just as her father did.
Jessica has a point. I am always amazed at the low turnout for community involvement opportunities, compared to the number of people who complain, (some quite nastily), and not just the few on this board. Have you ever heard of the the theory of "Law of Attraction"? It is all about the world you see and create for yourself. If people reading these posts keep this in mind, I can bet they'd rather live in the San Pedro some see, rather than the one others see. Guess what - it's all the same town, the same street, the same block!! I can tell you that those who do participate, who do speak up when called to, join Neighborhood Watch, don't dump trash, take pride in the place they own/rent, talk to their neighbors, shop in local stores, and a host of other constructive things, they feel empowered and involved, and they do make a difference every day. These are the people I respect. And I try to thank them as often as possible, because they make Pedro work.
My Grandpa helped build the Vincent Thomas Bridge and I have wonderful memories of San Pedro, still have family there but got moved to Colorado when I was still a kid. Guess what, the city I live in has gangs and crackheads and shootings and bad neighborhoods and 'massage parlors' just like ANY city in this country! OMG people, grow up and realize that no matter where you go there you are and the world is how YOU see it. I feel sorry for all of the folks on here that had to "get out" instead of investing themselves in their community to make it a better place. Behind every great town is the people that care enough to stay and make it that way.
No matter what you read here, San Pedro can't be summed up by any one comment, especially the two liners. It's a true melting pot, and for some, they can't deal with it, so you'll hear nothing but complaints from them! Fact: There are poor people, middle class people, and wealthy people all living here, choosing to co-exist in a relatively small area, compared to other cities.
For those who are really interested in experiencing San Pedro, come on down and spend a few hours here. Take the drive from Harbor Blvd exit off the 110 Frwy, and zig-zag up and down from 1st Street up to Western and back down, explore all of downtown, northwest to the Gardens and other residential areas off Capitol Drive, through the many older urban residential areas (some nice, some struggling) , our beach areas, maritime harborfront, marina, lighthouse park, and along the ocean cliffs along the southern border through the Palisades and South Shores neighborhoods.
San Pedro is loved by some, and disliked by others, but loyalty to this city runs as deep as its history as one of the oldest towns in the southland.
Whatever your impressions, you won't know what category you fall into unless you actually spend time here and see ALL of our city, not just a few blocks off the freeway.
I grew up in Pedro, went to Leland Street Elementary, Dana Jr High, and SPHS. Was and always be a working class town. I thought it was funny that Italian rated on the ethnicity list but not Croatian? Lots of -ich's in town! Anyway what always appealed to me was the sense of community - most of my friends' dads were longshoremen or fishermen...the old Fishermen's Fiesta used to be pretty cool to go to. Places change, that's a fact, but I have very good memories of growing up there in the 60's and 70's.
This comment list if full of idiots who don't get it. It's just a performance piece. Haha! The jokes on you for buying into it.
San Pedro is a dump. I would not live there if you gave me a house.
I was born in Pedro and lived there until 1991 when I moved away. I have so many good memories of growing up there. Yes there are good and bad parts of the city, just like any other place. If I don't make it back there before I die, I've left instructions to bury me at Green Hills so I can still be in my beloved hometown.
San Pedro is my town! This little city has afforded me a great place to raise my family, have a good paying highly skilled job, yet still have that small town feel where people are polite and friendly. I live here, shop here, play here and thrive here. I can't tell you how many strangers I've talked to who never even knew we existed here and how wonderful our parks and beaches are when they visited. It's the people of this town that says the most about San Pedro. Friendly, outgoing, hard working and humorous, I love stopping to chat with friends I went to elementary school with, teachers I had at school or shop owners where I do my business. This town has instilled in me a sense of family, pride and hard work that I've had all of my nearly 50 years. San Pedro, you bet I love it!
If you want to get the real feel of San Pedro – about 2 sentences sums it up. Scroll down and read the entry from RESPEC RSP. Too precious.
For those of you who don’t know, RSP is ONE of our local street gangs. San Pedro is paradise for some (who enjoy living amongst the gang bangers - because they add to the town’s “realness”); others of us are scrambling to get out.
I like the 6th Street Farmer's Market too. There's a guy who plays old sailor songs on a banjo that my son likes to listen to. Everybody is friendly. It's not easy living here sometimes - but it feels real. the burbs are not for me.
Heads up, JD. People who came from all over the world live in the U.S. and are Americans once they become citizens and have lived here for many generations. Don't like Mexico, don't need to go there. But here in SAN Pedro, most of us are Americans, like you. And some of our families have been here a really long time, like when everyone here spoke Spanish. That's why our cities are called San Pedro, Los Angeles, San Bernadino, Santa Monica, etc.
Thanks, JD, for your honesty. San Pedro is not for everyone, but thankfully, diversity (economic and racial) appeals to enough people that they choose to live here. You are right that Ports O'Call has changed a lot since it's heyday, and will probably go through more changes in the coming years with new developments planned. Waterfront property will always be a premium,and we have this going for us, too. The areas you are referring to in your post are the older parts of town, and downtown core. As a whole, San Pedro stretches across some pretty striking peninsula landscape, many different neighborhoods, with the dominant ethnicity varying block by block. This is what makes San Pedro unique in the Southland.
Those of us who are, as you say, 'working hard to change the town' believe it has a great future, and the positive changes I've seen here in the last few years are what I draw on as visible signs we are on the right track. I appreciate the dedication of so many who have faced some pretty daunting challenges over the years, including a distant city government, wealthy Port interests, and environmental issues. But since I've been here air pollution is down significantly, money is coming to the waterfront after decades of discussion, and commercial real estate investors have descended here and are buying up and renovating property, which is a very good sign they believe in the future of this town, too. San Pedro may never again be the town you remember, but with the effort of active participants who care about the future of this area, it will thrive.
Born and raised in San Pedro, from reading the profile, and what the down town looks like, time to get out, I don't think it's going to come back, even thought a lot of people work hard to change the town. Went to Ports O' Call about 5 years ago to the fish market, OMG - could have been in another country, haven't been back.
Too sad, hardly go past Trader Joe's any more - I stay on north side of town.
I'm not crazy about Mexico.
Hey SP Forever, -scroll up to the pie chart on this website, it says that San Pedro is "highly diverse" compared to other neighborhoods. Someone who supports ethnic diversity is not a racist (kinda the opposite, if you read up on what racism is). Since everybody's post is up here for us to read (agree or disagree), diversity of opinion can't be controlled by any of us. All I get is that you are mad that someone is not okay with our city being compared to a place that he says is 'a shame' (and I ain't touching the whole 'Compton' thing but you'd be an idiot not to get his drift, so don't insult my intelligence). I'd like to hear what you think about San Pedro, why you believe in San Pedro Forever, and what that means to you.
Thanks for the info. I don't get downtown very often but I heard about First Thursday and maybe I'll check it out sometime. They have a Farmers Market on Fridays and that's the only time I go. There's one stall that sells pesticide-free fruits and vegetables and their produce is always good (and cheaper than VONS). I think they grow their produce near Knotts Berry Farm. Also a guy who makes bonsai and the prices are good.
On to a happier note: Last night was First Thursday in Downtown San Pedro. We have an exchange student staying with us from Thailand, and we visited many of the open galleries (they all serve nibbles and wine for those who want to skip dinner), and the San Pedro Art Association's first show at the Croatian Cultural Center (I heard almost a hundred people came by). If you want to see many of the artists at work, First Thursday is often the only time their studios are open to the public. It is always a treat to see so many people out on the streets enjoying themselves.
We dropped into Mishi's Strudel at 7th and Centre Streets, and within the space of an hour heard (from the owner's son and friends) a selection of opera, musical theatre, and then a smattering of Japanese, Russian, and Italian songs thanks to one of SP's resident artists (who writes books and plays pretty good piano). He just published a novel that has a section of what he calls 'bachelor recipes' including some old country favorites. But no measurements for the ingredients - he says that you just have to use common sense when making these meals.
Dear San Pedro Forever (real name unknown): I quote from your previous post: "This attitude is typical in SP – “We like it here because it’s a diverse community, unless you happen to be black, Asian or white.”
I will leave it up to readers here to decide for themselves the intent and meaning of our opinions.
“when it comes to making a racial comment…” Valen
I took several minutes to read this entire board. Mr. Gables did not mention race. There are only a few people who have mentioned the racial makeup of San Pedro – one of them being you, Valen (some of the others were from your cohorts). Apparently, like Mr. Gables, race is not a relevant issue on where I live. Obviously, to you Valen, it’s extremely important and would exclude anyone who didn’t look/think the way you believe they should. You are the epitome of a racist. You ARE a closed minded racist.
You might be interested to know that San Pedro has two of the cleanest beaches in Southern California, along with one of the dirtiest. Cabrillo Oceanside has an A+ rating, along with Wilder Annex, the rocky beach below Point Fermin which made it on the Heal The Bay Honor List for California. Unfortunately efforts to clean up the portside beach have not yet been successful. Cabrillo Beach Harborside is still gets failing grade because of ship traffic pollutants kept inside by Angel's Gate Breakwater. If you are going to the Cabrillo Beaches this summer, picnic on the harborside for great beach, views, tables & trees, kids playground, but don't swim there. Go down a few hundred yards to the oceanside beach. Best time is in the morning, before the wind picks up. It can get pretty windy out on all our beaches by mid afternoon.
I respect one thing about Mr. Cables - he signed his name. And he made a comment on a public medium, so we both take the consequences of our opinions. I too signed my name and voiced my opinion about a generalization made about San Pedro that just isn't accurate when it comes to describing an entire 80,000 person city.
San Pedro is diverse - and that diversity is what often gets the lion's share of negative comments on this board. And when it comes to making a racial comment that clearly is meant (in his terms) to denigrate our community as much as possible, just as I would in a face-to-face conversation, I won't shy away from calling them on it. I stand up for my beliefs, and own them.
Anyone who lives in this town knows we deal with many misconceptions about this area, and the diversity that has been the backbone of life here for more than a century is often the biggest target. Millions come through here to enjoy tourist attractions, and yet our area businesses have never benefitted to any significant degree. And for decades we took the brunt of environmental pollution without the full economic benefits and political clout to shape our destiny with the Port. We don't even have a Visitor's and Convention Bureau, something that I hear is going to be remedied soon, because we deserve to have our story told in full.
This can be a great place to live, and yes, for some it may not be. That's the reality of city life. San Pedro has many different communities, neighborhoods, and economic levels. We need to hear about all of them.
Wow, I love the fact that everyone has their own opinions about San Pedro, good & bad. But I've lived in San Pedro for 15 years and i love it. I've lived in the housing projects and it's great. everyone here is friendly and respectful. obviously if you think the opposite you've only driven by or believed all the stories people tell you. And by the way I graduated from Port of Los Angeles High School and it is a GREAT school.
Here we go, again. Beware: Those on this board who don’t agree with your observation will simply cast you out and dismiss you. Seems to me that if we really wanted to promote our town as diverse, we would embrace those with different opinions/observations instead of telling people they don’t belong here, Valen. You continuously imply that the diversity is a great attribute of SP, yet you don’t want to hear diverse opinions. Wait… I finally get it. You only like diversity when it suits your needs, or when it’s comfortable for you. This attitude is typical in SP – “We like it here because it’s a diverse community, unless you happen to be black, Asian or white.”
I'm going to agree with Valen. In the course of my daily business I was talking to two people today who grew up in San Pedro and asked them if they thought things had improved here in the last decade. One woman, who lives in Old San Pedro, said that since she was a kid (15 years ago) downtown has become much safer and she works right in the heart of that area. The other man, also a Pedro native, manages 150 property units east of Gaffey and says that people may seem tough but in the 20 years he's been working with renters he's never had any violent tenants or felt threatened as he goes about his work. Perception is often a fool's defense, as my father used to say. It's typical but disappointing when people come here and make these kind of sweeping generalizations, and I have to also agree that it says more about the person making those comments than it does the reality of what it is like to live in San Pedro. This town has some pretty unique attributes that far outweigh any negatives, so my family and I are staying put.
I'm amazed when I check in every now and then the comments I see. With all due respect to Mr. Cables I have no idea where he was, but downtown has indeed changed. Many of the old buildings that sat decaying for decades have been completely renovated and are now high-end condos and loft apartments (I was just admiring the renovation details on the new Bank Lofts today as I drove by). 7th and Centre looks entirely different - new buildings, no graffiti, and new family-friendly restaurants that have garnered four star reviews in the L.A. Times. It still has a ways to go, but it is vastly improved since I arrived only three years ago.
It would appear Mr. Cables has never been to Compton because the ethnic make up of San Pedro is vastly different (refer to stats above). However, it simply reveals more about him than this town. San Pedro's multi-ethnic make-up has been a constant over the decades, most who are vocally loyal to this small outpost in the southern end of the Peninsula. It remains a multi-generational, multi-ethnic town with a mixture of people from many different origins, something that many Angelenos have trouble accepting, despite the realities of living in this part of the country.
Wherever Mr. Cables ended up, this is where he belongs. Clearly, not in San Pedro.
It’s been 20 years since I’ve been in San Pedro (lived there for about 10 years in the 80’s). Drove through today, and, well… oh my – how it’s changed. You could have dropped me off in the middle of Compton and I wouldn’t have been able to tell the difference between the two towns. What a shame.
I live here for the cheap rent, the ocean air, the low temps in summer, the low key people. Folks might look tough but no one ever honks their horn at you! Try going one day without getting honked at in Bev Hills.
You mention 7th Street looking better. We just got notice of filming on 7th street next week - a new WB television show. Most people outside our town don't realize how much filming goes on in San Pedro - hundreds of movies, plus many television shows regularly shoot here, including CSI Miami, NCIS, etc. There was an article in the paper recently that SP does get substantial revenue from purchases made in our town. We still should be getting more from L.A. City for all the revenue we produce here.
Tonight is First Thursday Art Walk in downtown San Pedro. They have open galleries, music, sidewalk sales, food, opera singers and more. I try to come every month because I get to meet the merchants, and I like supporting our town businesses. The greek place is closed but I like the newer restaurants that have opened up, like the Chop House and Nosh. Downtown has been fixed up a lot, especially 7th Street.
This weekend, April 29-May 2, the annual Los Angeles Harbor International Film Festival will be at the Warner Grand Theatre on 6th Street. Many of the area schools will be participating in the "Read the Book, See The Movie" program, with "Captains Courageous" and all of the films in the regular program are inexpensive ($8-10.00 for most shows). Come and support this local event and the Warner Grand Theatre, still one of the most beautiful movie palaces in Los Angeles.
Smiley is in Peace now. Don't remember how it "went down". Go to school and get educated. The carwash will get Smiley's family $50 bucks. A big waste of time. Smiley would want you to move on with your life and get out of banging. RSP will not be around when you're 30, unemployed and smokin crack and/or in Prison. Save yourself and your Family (remember them?) a lot of grief, distance yourself from RSP, look at yourself in the mirror and say, I'm a good man with good qualities. Clean up and move away to begin a new life. The life you deserve. Stop feeling sorry for yourself for not having a daddy or a mommy or a nice house or that mini bike, get my drift? You have your health and the ability to say NO. That is way more than many people have. You also have the ability to know Right from Wrong. Choose the Right things and Jesus will do the rest. Guaranteed. Choose the wrong things and Jesus will make sure you rot in a fiery hell forever. He's that good. God Bless everyone in RSP. Hey, I turn 50 today so I know something about how this thing called life goes down. It's easy if you let it be and a freaken nightmare if you don't listen to good advice.
RIP Smiley! Another one of our own from RSP is gone. Much love and you will not be forgotten. Your hommies from the ranch will never forget you – and we will remember how it went down. Benefit car wash on Gaffey and 3rd on Saturday. A carwash do this person help the community by keeping his Neighborhood safe from gangs cleaning up graffiti . or its not that way he was A rat gang member who is defacing the Neighborhood . then he is a rat that dont deserve my help with a carwash what did he do 4 the community nothing then he dont get nothing"
RIP Smiley! Another one of our own from RSP is gone. Much love and you will not be forgotten. Your hommies from the ranch will never forget you – and we will remember how it went down. Benefit car wash on Gaffey and 3rd on Saturday.
The Los Angeles Harbor International Film Festival is coming to San Pedro on April 29 - May 2nd. This is San Pedro, so it has a small-town feel to it, but the person who organizes it does a really good job on a shoestring budget. The festival showcases selected features, documentaries, and short films that that, in the words of the festival, 'create a cinematic bridge between the people of the region and people of the world'. Tickets are inexpensive, and the films are shown at the downtown 6th Street Warner Grand, one of the only great cinema palaces still left in Los Angles. They have a kids program with local schools, too, and the book/movie combo this year is "Captains Courageous". I hear they get a really good turnout for this.
They premiere some interesting independent movies, with guest directors, plus this year's Nostalgia Tribute screening is "Flower Drum Song" with guest stars, Nancy Kwan and James Shigeta. If you want more info: laharborfilmfest.com
There are a lot of great photos of the area at the Lighthouse Cafe at Pacific and 39th Street. Last time I was there they had them under glass on every table. There's also some large posters on the wall with photos taken from the air of the eastern end of the peninsula. Some of my favorite houses are on the narrow cliff-side streets up that way that overlook Cabrillo Beach.
Went kite flying yesterday at the new 22nd Street Park. Sponsored by James Weston and the SP Kiwanis Club, about 50 people came down and flew the free kites that were given away. Not a lot of wind yesterday, but we got our kites up pretty high. The new park is nice and open with paths for walking and biking, and with a soccer field (where we flew the kites). Bocce ball court too. Some native plants I think but they need to be trimmed since they got planted (anyone from the Port listening?) All in all a really great addition to our neighborhood and the waterfront area.
Thanks to all the people who pitched in to upgrade Bloch Field, including new playing field, grass upgrade for the outfield, and new flagpole. This includes the ILWU, D Griffith Construction, and the SP Fire Dept (who raised the new flagpole). Go Snoopys and all the players who are in T-Ball and baseball divisions!
I thought I was the only one who remembers Burt Reynolds calling San Pedro home. Mr. Reynolds met Lonnie Anderson during a filming scene at the Harbor. I guess all those lights made romance happen! The family home is still being lived in by relatives up on the Hill. Most of the sightings were of Burt hanging out at the 6th street shops and Warner Theatre.
East of Gaffey can easily be remembered by say, East L.A. another up and coming area of our vast city. Does anyone remember Jack's bar on Gaffey? Or Mama's diner by 9th street? Burt Reynolds used to eat there at least once a month. His dad owned an Aluminum smelting factory in Wilmington and made a fortune off the Container Vessels. I remember Jack Olsen opening the first Jack in the Box on Gaffey in 1948.
There is no north or south of Gaffey Ave., it's either east or west. South of Gaffey would be the Pacific Ocean and it's pretty nice out there. I wish I lived south of Gaffey but it would be hard to do without a boat.
Too bad this board can't show photos, because when someone comes on here and says living in San Pedro is 'horrible' it's a joke. I could show you shot after shot of amazing city, land, and seascapes within the borders of San Pedro. You can't talk about an entire city as if it were one street. Or even one neighborhood. The reality is, there are many beautiful areas of San Pedro, this city is part of the Palos Verdes Penninsula, just like RPV, and we share the same cliffs, sea birds, ocean view, vegetation, shoreline as our rich neighbors. There's no dividing line when it comes to natural landscape, just an artificial border. It is annoying when people come on here to talk about Pedro as if it were just the worst parts. We have some bad neighborhood areas, I think enough people have come on here to try to clarify that this is not all of San Pedro, just a part of it. But still, the same old crap about gun shots, gangs, etc. etc. comes up over and over. Fine if you want to talk about your part of Pedro, but be specific. If I said I lived in Los Angeles, people wouldn't look at me and say, poor you, I hear there are gangs there, and projects, and poverty. Cause they know there is a whole lot more than that, and it comes down to where you choose to live. Does it make it right that there are good parts and crap parts of any city? No. But when people come on here and try to say that San Pedro across the board is a horrible or unsafe place to live, or they get mad when someone posts something positive, they're just plain wrong. Anyone doesn't believe it, come down and drive through all of this city, from north to south, east to west, and then you will get the whole picture.
There's a reason why this area is in many scenic books about Southern California, and in guidebooks for parents looking for activities for kids. Most of us are working to make sure it stays that way.
Gaffey ain't pretty, but it looks like a hundred other main streets that run through every city in Los Angeles and the Valley. The main commercial streets in Southern California are a mess, and they go through bad and good neighborhoods alike. They're all long dragstrips with a jumble of retailers, businesses, restaurants, some nicely painted, some not, some tacky, some nice. They ain't Main Street, U.S.A. in Disneyland. OK, maybe a little more street garbage on Gaffey than some, but take a look at Pico Blvd, parts of Olympic, Santa Monica Blvd, Hollywood Blvd., Melrose, Ventura Blvd, etc, etc. If people are going to judge all of San Pedro based on these two commercial streets, then they don't live in L.A. or they're in denial about their own neighborhoods elsewhere. Graffiti on Gaffey gets painted out really quick these days, too.
The people who bitch about Pedro - all yure going to do is depress your little area more. I'm sure that's what you want to do, make things worse.
For a visual interpretation of some of San Pedro's hilly residential neighborhoods, check out Caroline Beghin's paintings. She's at www.carolinebeghin.com. Her work is in collections throughout the U.S.
Hey 'From The Projects': My neighborhood isn't like yours and I really feel for you. Lots of us do care what happens to San Pedro and don't care what the guy who left for PV thinks, because he deserted instead of trying to do something about it. Tell us what we can do to make things better. You know your streets better than anybody so you probably are the expert. Nobody should live in fear.
According to statistics provided by the L.A.P.D., all types of crime in San Pedro are down from 50 - 86% in the last year. 'From The Projects' sounds stressed out and should move to a safer part of Pedro, or if he has concerns about LAPD not reporting crimes, use the anonymous tip line, join the Neighborhood Watch in his area, or get to know the neighborhood lead LAPD officer. There are lots of ways to change things for him and his friends.
'From the Projects' proves what everyone is saying on this board - it's where your head is at that makes San Pedro - good, bad, or ugly, and it has nothing to do with how much money you make, but what you do with your energy - that's free. I met a guy who owns a shop downtown - he was in Beacon until he got his act together and then he started a small business and for the past ten years it's been feeding him and his new family. He got it together. Projects might want jump out of his four-square corner of the city and find somewhere to live where he can start working for a better life and talking about something else besides bangers and the cop rave. Or make his own street free of crap for his family and his neighbors families. They need someone like that. Old Town Pedro needs people like that.
haha its funny reading this cause most people commenting are of course high middle class or rich people..
bottom line is "San Pedro" above gaffey is safe and below.. not so.
Just in the last week ive heard sirens everyday, in the last month 3 friends shot at, 5 jumped, 3 robbed, TFlats from compton walking and driving around looking for RSP and most likely s**t i didnt see or hear of.
Police reports are s**t.. they dont report everything that occurs throughout the city in an effort to make themselves look better and the city seem "safer".
people up on the hill are just naive as to what is going on cause they dont see it everyday like we do.. areas like the projects, the white bricks, the lows, the miny projects on palos verdes, ect..
with gangs all over like RSP SC, RSP LOCOS, RSP 16st, YC, RSP Oliver st., Center St., RSP 3rd st, Dodge City Crips and more bloods and crips coming from other areas in L.A.! then i see bitching like "ohh.. driving through 1st and pacific is like being in a different contry" yea well its called san pedro not Saint Peter bitch. I dont mind being surronded by Numero Uno, Bestway, 5 liquor stores, lavanderias, 3 more "carnicerias" and muffler and tire shops. you dont like it.. dont drive by anymore. take gaffey to the 47 and get off on harbor.
One of the most visible things that defines San Pedro, is the multi-cultural aspect of population here, something that has remained stable for over a century. San Pedro's ethnic mixture (about an even split between Latino and a mixture of Eastern European and Mediterranean countries) has remained relatively unchanged since the early 1900's. Long before this, the Mexican/Spanish were the wealthy landowners, Rancho San Pedro once covered all of the penninsula, including Palos Verdes. This is our legacy. The visible 'face' of this town is a Rorschach test for many - they make assumptions based on what they see on the surface, and their reaction speaks for them, not San Pedro.
If you know the history of Southern California, unlike many cities in the huge metropolis that makes up the Los Angeles Basin, San Pedro has not gone through cycles of ethnic transience, seen when an immigrant group moves in to a particular area, then moves out as their fortunes improve, leaving way for another minority group. This multi-cultural stability is a cornerstone of San Pedro and may be a clue as to why some people are uncomfortable coming down here. It challenges their preconceptions. San Pedro has a diverse economic base too, with everything from welfare to upper middle class, even a smattering of the very wealthy. These are facts, not opinions from people who try to define this town in a few expletives.
What people on this board try to express (and are often quickly shot down) is that what makes San Pedro appealing to them is the people - a community that has survived the ups and downs of a town with many challenges and many great features. Like it or not, San Pedro represents the reality of many other parts of the U.S. as it moves toward acceptance of a multi-cultural blend. Those who see this as a positive, who don't flee to an enclave, will make this country stronger. The nay-sayers, cynics, and angry, or frightened people may not like San Pedro, but enough of us do to make it work.
I heard that the bridge was supposed to be fixed years ago but fell thru the cracks. It is definitely a good item to focus on for the next council person. I've seen some nicely designed overpass bridges in Phoenix (everything is new there) with the protective cage made to look like the mountains. This is the first thing people see when they come to San Pedro and makes a lasting impression.
And for those of you who actually care about San Pedro, the new waterfront plan from the Port is available to view on their website and they are holding public workshops with face-to-face meetings. So far the architects, lighting and landscape designers have been very receptive to detailed suggestions from the community. The Port is starting to see more and more people at these meetings and realizing we want to participate. This project is our best hope for revitalizing downtown.
The Bridge is absolutely an eye sore. I never thought about the posibility of getting it removed or replaced but since you brought it up, I will do my part and write to community leaders and let them know I too want that eyesore gone. Good Idea! So what's the official name of that bridge so I can correctly address it. 13th St., Sure there are more problems than Gaffey but like I mentioned earlier Gaffey is Our Front Porch. Maybe someone would look into the LAPD patrols and see if our heros in blue are giving us their utmost attention and if not, why not? So for the person afraid of the natives stay home and find out about the LAPD for us and what they're doing for San Pedro. That would be awesome.
The opinion trolls have spoken: dark place, dark thoughts. You all seem to pop up here only when someone has the apparently cockeyed judgement to say something good about San Pedro. Sad life is indeed owned by '13th Street Resident" and the other cheery soul, 'It's not Art'. You live and manifest the place your thoughts inhabit. No matter where you are, the world will be the same. It's always that way with trolls.
San Pedro is either very, very, bad, or very, very good. The saddest place on earth, or the happiest place on earth. Or maybe it's both. That would make it a very interesting town indeed.
Someone has been calling 311 for the grafitti. There appears to be very little on Gaffey. Good Job. Litter is not that big of a problem but doing nothing has gotten old. I've got my bag ready but really just see it as a walk on Gaffey, our front porch. 30 minutes a week isn't asking too much. As for being afraid of the natives, picking up trash isn't going to upset anyone and as someone said, 311 handles the tagging pretty well. And as the song says, The Freaks come out at night and wake up around noon.
The lie about the child abduction was perpetrated by the girl who told the police she was abducted, not by anyone on this board. It was the headline in yesterday's news, several days after the other post about it here. Get the facts before you make accusations.
Crime still happens in RPV every week. It happens in every town in the southland. What makes the difference is that RPV is an enclave protected by very high property values - it is not a middle class or working class area and never will be. This doesn't make RPV any better an any other town. It simply makes it richer. The people who cut the grass, nanny their children, work in businesses, service the economy there live in more affordable areas of the southland. They, and everyone else living in the southland make up the economic variety that is this city, and that is the reality of life here.
As to the person who made the pistol-packin' comment about people who want to make an effort to help keep the streets clean: People paint out graffiti here with no problems, so coming on here and making this kind of warning is a reflection of the posters state of mind, not the person who is trying to be a good citizen.
If posters have something interesting or constructive to say about living in this town, which is what this neighborhood project board is about, I'm sure it would be of interest to people. Otherwise you are simply wasting people's time and spreading dirt. It won't change the reality of what San Pedro is to thousands of people. A town they really like living in. You just don't get it, and that must be frustrating.
“It’s the beginning of Spring Break so you may not get the turnout this week…” Translation: “There is no way that I’m actually going to invest my time or risk my life to help scrape the slime off the walls of SP.”
Suggest you bring your back-up piece if you intend to obscure any of the “art” tagged by the natives.
Hey, My tee-shirt says Pedro Girl. I just woke up and smelled the coffee. Guess what? SP is a really horrible place to live. People like you only exist to perpetuate lies to try to make one town look better at the expense of another town. If you’re sitting there with you mouth wide open wondering what I’m talking about… that “horrible attempted child abduction” in PV that you were so quick to point out. Turns out it was a lie (yes, one that you perpetuated). It never happened.
You’re right, no neighborhood is 100% safe (BTW, I love that argument. It means nothing). But, most are safer than San Pedro.
Thank you, SP Resident! It's the beginning of Spring Break so you may not get the turnout this week but if you are committed to doing this, then it could pick up steam from week to week. A great item for the newspapers, too.
If you are willing to provide spray paint labor to some of the businesses, I hope they work with you. I call 311 and the response is generally very good, but can't guarantee color matching, as you said.
I think the bridge improvement is a good idea too. We need to bring new people to invest here and that bridge gives people the worst impression of our town. I hate that bridge, have learned to ignore it, which probably isn't good.
Honey – we’ve got a whole lot more series problems to worry about than Gaffey St.
The Gaffey Challenge is on. Get your trash bag (1) and gloves ready for tomorrow at 0630. 6am is still too dark. Meeting at Gaffey and 9th street. I stopped at the Chevron on First and Gaffey this morning and threw away 2 bottles that were sitting right above the Trash Can. I say we pick up trash for about 1/2 hour and call it a day. Spend the rest of the day being proud of the fact that you made a positive difference in SP and didn't just type your fancy ideas. Next Sat we'll do it again. I get my paint sprayer this afternoon and will start enticing the store owners with free labor to get the place a bit more color coordinated to remove the thousand color look we have going on. Lofty goal to be sure but kinda fun. This is a trash n paint focus group only. Everyone is welcomed! San Pedro - it's the people!
Why, why, why, do people fixate on the worst part of San Pedro's downtown? If someone is going to comment on this place, how about talking about all the other neighborhoods? There are plenty of them, miles of them, acres of them. And they don't look like 1st Street.
I love the look of horror on a typical PV'er's face when I tell them I live in San Pedro. I especially like making them drive down here if I can find an excuse.
You guys are ridiculous. And elitist. Another country? Wow, that pretty much says it all about your opinion.
Those who move to PV are bound to look "down" on San Pedro. As for it not being the town it used to be, Pedro is going through a long cycle right now and is definitely, finally, on an upswing. When the canneries and fishing industry moved away from Pedro, and the Vincent Thomas Bridge built, the town was rudderless for a while, downtown lost it's main traffic from people taking the ferry across to Terminal Island.
But if you don't live here, then you really can see or understand all the changes this town is undergoing. It needed to find a new focus, to reinvent itself as a more tourist-friendly place, and the $1B Port Waterfront Project, called the largest waterfront development project in the country, signals a big part of this process.
When someone from PV comments about San Pedro, it is hardly ever good. And hardly ever accurate.
Two sentences will never describe a town as vibrant, complex, and multi-faceted as this one.
So sad, it's not the town it use to be. Have to move up to P.V.
Driving down Pacific around 1st street makes you think you're in another country, and not a good one.
SPHS has to be one of the worst schools around.
Unless you take the Vincent Thomas Bridge and Harbor Blvd. exit (nicer now because of all the new waterfront improvements), the 110 ends on Gaffey, a typical dismal Los Angeles thoroughfare, which is why people get an initial bad impression of Pedro. Our councilwoman, Janice Hahn, fixed the overgrown hillsides leading into Pedro, and made them all nice, but what about that horrible "Welcome to San Pedro" bridge with the ratty birthday signs hanging from it? Pedro deserves better than that. Fix the bridge! When Hahn moves on to her new position in state government (which she wants to do), we should all make this a campaign slogan for the next person running for the job. Fixing or replacing this bridge would be a great first step - or at least get rid of that awful cage on top.
Cleaning up any street is always a good idea - I hope people join you. But let's start a FIX the GAFFEY BRIDGE Campaign and put the pressure on our representative to make it right.
Gaffey Avenue is a topic of discussion when talking about San Pedro. The eyesore that is our most visible street and our welcome mat. I for one have decided to get a large green trash bag and walk Gaffey Avenue next weekend and fill it up. I envision Gaffey Avenue looking like a western old town, ala Disneyland but low cost - very cool and very clean street. Getting businesses to color coordinate would be one of the first steps. Hey this is our front door people and our challenge. See u on Gaffey/9th 6am Saturday. BYOBag
I'm with Pedro Artisti! This place is real, and doesn't have the hip reputation of some of the other areas, but I think Artisti said it all. We don't have poseurs and voracious taste-makers who are blogging, or doing their PR thing to bring other wannabes to a neighborhood they declare is worth hanging out in. Like fashion that goes in and out of style because someone dictates what is 'in' every season, the followers will go where they are told because they don't have enough imagination to strike out on their own. Pedro has more working artists and musicians than outsiders realize, and the film location guys love it here because it is authentic seaside living, with lots of dockside locales, and a variety of neighborhoods to choose from.
People might not know this but Johnny Depp and crew spent time in San Pedro, shooting "The Pirates of the Carribean" on the tall ship, The Black Pearl, (the "Interceptor") in 2006. It was fun watching the fake cannon battles, and Depp was seen a few times at one of our local hangouts, The Corner Store.
As for the lack of a yuppified downtown, like you'd find in every other beach town in Southern California, if every place looked like the 3rd Street Promenade in Santa Monica, filled with expensive mall stores and touristy junk, we'd lose what is arguably one of the last real working seaside towns left in this state. That is why people here love it.
I'm hoping all the new developers who have snapped up property here keep this in mind and try to do something different, and interesting.
What a bunch of nuts. If I had to take one of these comments seriously, it’d be from ‘Respec RSP.’ He gives the most insightful flavor of San Pedro.
I've lived all over the world, and San Pedro is pretty amazing. The industrial beauty of the harbor, the lights of the "St." Vincent Thomas Bridge, the birds and seals, the lighthouse, the eclectic mix of architecture and beautiful gardens, the giant anchors strewn around town - where else do you see so much filming? There is parking! Views! The Omelet and Waffle House! The dead hooker hotel on Gaffey. (A bit of noir there). Where else can you still do a bar crawl in some of the cities original whiskey soaked taverns? Eat shrimp on a tray, drink beer by the harbor and listen to mariachi music on a Sunday? Yes, it's got it's share of problems, like any urban area - but it reeks charm! Let the poseurs and terminally hip stay in Silver Lake and Santa Monica. Pedro is cool because it's authentic.
Dear Respec RSP, I hear Wilmington has a wonderful school system that is a well kept secret. The landlords are nice and show respec all the time. I think the city motto there is Respec everyone all the time. Lil Smiley is nodding at you right now, you know it's a good idea. Harbor City - Gateway to the world. It isn't called that for nothing Respec RSP. Their motto? We Respec you because you represent. Yeah, Lil Smiley likes the moving idea. What happen Jockers, i'm afraid to ask...
Respect your passion, RSP, because you are right! You are one of many thousands who believe in Pedro, even if they are not from RSP. That's what makes this town unique. The only way to make people look like fools is to prove them wrong.
yall crack me up pedro aint no manhatan beach or torrance or rancho palos verdis or whatever fools. they ain got sh*** on sp. yall need to respect sp. weeze here before any yall starbucks drinkin fools so try to come down here and see what happen jockers. you better RESPECT sp or see whats up hommies. RIP lil’ smiley.
Went to see Los Pingous (from Argentina) at the Warner Annex last night. Amazing band with latin, afro-american, anglo influences, not predictable at all, and part of the Latin America series at the Annex. Everyone was up and dancing before the first song was over. Thanks to artistic director, Taran Schindler, for bringing in a great lineup of talent from all over the world to an intimate performance space. I never know what will bring me to the Annex, from slack key guitar from Hawaii, puppetry from L.A., author readings, art shows. A great addition to the downtown Pedro area.
San Pedro is the best place to live. Ever. Anyone would rather live here than any other place on Earth because it’s better than anyplace else. There. I said it. And, because I said it, the argument is now officially over.
I say, good for all the Pedro people who came on this board to defend our town against 'the internet trolls'. We don't do enough of that, mainly I think because we don't usually care what outsiders think, and maybe that's not a good thing when someone spreads nasty rumors around. My only comment is that House Hunting must have had a real estate agent who wasn't from here, because obviously she didn't see much of Pedro, from she described. House hunting in this town isn't easy, because there isn't a lot for sale.
I always think about people like House Hunting when I hear someone talk about how shocked they are when something happens in their 'safe' neighborhood, like the horrible attempted child abduction from a school in Palos Verdes today. Wake up and smell the coffee! No neighborhood is 100% safe. And if something happens to someone you love, it doesn't matter where you live or how what the crime statistics are. Hopefully you have good neighbors, because in the end, that's all that matters.
And to the person looking for a good breakfast spot - try Rex's Cafe on Pacific. I think it's near 22nd. Street.
Thanks for the advice - you may be on to something about why people 'from' San Pedro are so negative about the place they live. I think the answer is this. Out of almost 80,000 people who live here, about 5 people have complained, and one of them doesn't even live here. As with any city, there are going to be people who don't like it, or have had a bad experience. That's to be expected. But I'm not even sure that the last person who listed all the crimes in San Pedro is actually from here. Just a gut feeling .....you just have to look at SP Veteran's previous post to see something is out of wack.
By the way, on the same week of urban crimes against humanity listed by SP Veteran, I checked out Los Feliz' area crime list on LAPD site. Same radius, more crimes, one murder. And people LOVE that friggin' area, it's in every 'must see' article in travel magazines. Like the guy from there said: It's city life. Don't like it, move to the suburbs or a gated community.
This is and answer to, "More, Please" and a few others scratching thier heads about the posts on this board. After reading a few comments, I could not figure out why people who live in San Pedro would say the horrible things they say about SP. I finally came to this conclusion:
They want people to stay away and be afraid of it.
Why? Because rent here is now higher than most of Long Beach. Taxes have gone up for both home owners and business owners and the bottom line is, there is no more coastal areas in Los Angeles that are left that are affordable. Soon, the people saying all the horrible things about San Pedro will not be able to afford to live here. If they keep starting all this drama, they hope people will stay away.
San Pedro is a city with good and bad, just like every other city in America. It either works for a family/couple or does not, and they buy or look elsewhere. Why the anger on this board from people who do and do not live here? Because it's fake. Don't continue to feed the internet trolls. Ignore them.
The homicide report came out today from the L.A. Times. From Jan - March, 2010, overall rates in L.A. County were down by 30% from the same period last year (almost 100% from 2008). Their map shows where homicides occurred in first quarter, 2010 - Redondo Beach, Hawthorne, Gardena, West Carson, Long Beach, West Covina, Altadena, Baldwin Park, La Puente, San Fernando, Hollywood-adjacent, Burbank.
None in San Pedro, SP Veteran, despite your allegation that one week without a murder is 'quiet'. Be accurate if you're going to try to make a point.
A few years ago my boyfriend and I were looking to move to the beach. We checked out a lot of houses in Manhattan Beach, Redondo Beach, and Hermosa Beach. All of the ones in our price range (about $3,000 a month) were really small, but we liked the neighborhoods and everyone told us we should stay in these areas. After finding a house we could afford, we were really excited until we were about to sign the lease agreement when suddenly we heard a huge wooshing noise and realized that a refinery close by (hidden by trees) was off-gassing or something. Yes - there are refineries in Manhattan Beach, where all the wealthy people live.
I'm not anywhere near a refinery now, and I have a view of the ocean. I'm in San Pedro. No one recommended this place to us, we found it on our own.
Pedro High has had its ups and downs over the years. At least there's no graffiti now (thanks to the 311 program) but it needs to get its act together, and soon. Pedro High used to be a good school. My husband graduated from there and went on to an Ivy League University. But like most parents I know here, we wouldn't send our kids there now, choosing magnets, charters, Catholic, or private schools instead. If the new principal doesn't turn things around, it WILL be converted into a Charter school and the entire staff will have to re-apply or leave. With all the cuts by LAUSD, the teachers there absolutely should be concerned - and buckle down, and allow the bad ones to be weeded out. There has been complacency too long, and with any union job, at a certain point the union protection and seniority system (including tenure) begins to work against accountability and productivity. That's why Charter schools are rising so quickly in numbers. Parents are stepping in.
After much debate, construction for the new campus at Angels Gate Park will be underway soon. This campus will house the Marine Sciences and Police Academy charters currently housed at SP High and provide a new swimming pool for the SPH Swim Team. Long overdue.
Re: The meaning of a tattoo reading RSP (see posting by "I heart la" on March 4th).
I haven't lived in Pedro for 25 years, but a man spotted in San Pedro sporting a neck tattoo in Old English script that reads "RSP" can only mean one thing: Rancho San Pedro -- the housing project located near the harbor.
San Pedro High School was littered with "RSP" graffitti in the late 70's.
Top 33 Reasons Why I Choose to Live In San Pedro:
1. Mishi’s Strudel (L.A. Times Top 10 pick bakery/cafes in Los Angeles)
2. Cabrillo Beach (south): windsurfing, whales, no tourists, grass areas, trees, sand
3. Nosh for breakfast and lunch
4. Warner Grand Theatre – Relevant Stage Productions
5. Little Fish Theatre
6. Think Restaurants (breakfast, dinner at Prime)
7. Polly Ann's Bakery in Weymouth Corners
8. Warner Annex: Music, Performance, Dance, Art
9. 22nd Street Park: walkers, runners, soccer players, bocce ball
10. Cabrillo Marina
11. Peninsula YMCA
12. Busy Bee Market for BBQ Sandwiches, 4 Yelp Stars
13. 6th Street Farmers Market
14. The Whale and The Ale
15. The Grand Emporium
16. Maritime Research Center & Nautical Shop
17. Lobster Festival
18. Cruise Center Boardwalk and Fountain(s)
19. Cabrillo Aquarium ($1.00 for kids, touch pool, research center)
20. Grunion Run
21. Polar Bear Swim, Cabrillo Beach
22. Peregrine falcons at Pt. Fermin Park
23. Korean Bell Park
24. Red Trolley Car & shuttle to beach
25. Maritime Gifts on 7th Street
26. First Thursdays, downtown San Pedro
27. Angels Gate for Halloween Stories by the Bonfire, and other kids activities
28. Sailboat Regattas, including world-class training
29. Bike riding to the beach, downtown, Marina
30. Neil’s Pasta and Seafood Grill
31. Dalmation Hall: ballroom dancing weekly, Monthly Fish Fry
32. 22nd Street Landing Seafood Grill
33. Tall Ships Festival
Does anyone know of a good breakfast place? Someone said Think Cafe was good but its on the other end of town from me. Gaffeys Diner (I think that's the name) always has a lot of people, looks too crowded. I'm looking for somewhere small, closer to the south end of town. Thanks.
I checked out this board because I'm planning to come down to the Warner Annex to see a band in two weeks. More fun than the funny papers! The 'list' nuts are the most entertaining. I gotta ask, though, why do you do it? I think you've done scared away half of L.A. from ever coming down there. Reality check, brother. I live in Los Feliz and we get cars stolen all the time. On my street (Alexander Ave.) there are handmade signs warning us about a bunch of break-ins in the area. My neighbor had his rental truck broken into and his band gear stolen. I've seen police chases, guys on the street handcuffed, you name it. And I live in a GOOD part of town, everybody loves Los Feliz. Real estate prices are through the roof. Lots of celebs, too. City living. We're in it together, the way I look at it.
Gawd, I'm glad we don't have people in our town who say the things you guys say about the place you live in.
San Pedro Veteran:
Why do you live in San Pedro?
You said earlier that the people who posted good things about living in San Pedro had lost credibility. I read all the recent comments, too, and something seems odd to me. Before, the person posting as 'SP Veteran' had a balanced view of life in San Pedro - now someone with the same name is presenting a very different picture. I don't get the point of that list, and you just seem really, really mad. I see the list in the paper, too. It goes up and down every week - sometimes longer, sometimes shorter. A couple of weeks ago, the list for Torrance was longer. I don't know what you are trying to prove. The list for Wilmington is usually one or two things -and it has a lot more industrial pollution and rundown areas. Crime info doesn't tell you everything about what its like to live someplace.
I think the angry people who post on this board should put their energy into helping make the place they live better. Go to a neighborhood council meeting, or a community meeting. Form or participate in a Neighborhood Watch. Volunteer in programs for kids who need help. This city has a lot going for it and we need people to help keep it that way.
The world is how we see it, and how we make it. SP Veteran's viewpoint is loud and clear.
So, SP Veteran (if you are one in the same). Can you answer my question - why do you live here? People might appreciate the answer. Then we can get a better idea why you live here (if in fact, you do).
Thanks S.P. Veteran. I think I wet myself. I want to go to Iraq too.
Ah, yes. Paradise indeed. It was a quite week around here considering there were no murders. In addition to the crimes reported below, there were 26 narcotics related arrests, 22 driving under the influence, 11 arrests for prostitution, 7 arrests for driving without a license, and a partridge in a pair tree.
Kinda makes me all nostalgic for being back in Iraq.
A window into a week in the typical life of San Pedro:
1. Rape – 500 block of W. 15th St
2. Shots fired - medical marijuana business on 4th and Gaffey.
3. Robbery - 7-Eleven, 1700 block of W. 25th Street. A man in his late teens entered the store, hit the clerk with a belt, took unspecified merchandise and fled in a green, four-door vehicle driven by a male accomplice.
4. Theft from Vehicle - 400 block of W. Oliver St.
5. Burglary (The unlawful entry of a home to commit a felony ) - 100 block of Myler.
6. Theft - 300 block of N Western Ave.
7. Violent Robbery at 200 block of N Western Ave.
8. Theft From Vehicle - 200 block of N Wycliff Ave.
9. Theft From Vehicle - 400 block of W Oliver St.
10. Theft - 500 block of S Gaffey St
11. Aggravated Assault - 500 block of W 8th St
12. Burglary - 300 block of W 10th St
13. Grand Theft Auto - 1300 block of S Centre St
14. Theft From Vehicle - 1200 block of S Seaside Av
15. Theft From Vehicle - 800 block of W 9th St Bottom of Form
16. Theft From Vehicle - 700 block of W 9th St
17. Theft - 1200 block S Gaffey St
18. Theft From Vehicle - 500 block of W 15th St
19. Theft - 400 block of W 17th St
20. Violent Robbery at 17th and Gaffey
21. Theft From Vehicle - 5700 block of Crescent Park E
22. Vehicle - 300 block of W 33rd St
23. Burglary - 500 block of W 37th St
24. Theft From Vehicle - 600 block of W 40th St
25. Theft From Vehicle - 3200 block of S Walker Av
26. Theft From Vehicle - 1300 block of W 27th Dr
27. Grand Theft Auto - 2600 block of Dolphin Av
28. Grand Theft Auto - 1000 block of W 24th St
29. Theft From Vehicle - 1300 block of W 20th St
30. Theft From Vehicle - 15th and Leland
31. Theft - 1000 W 15th St
32. Burglary - 1600 block of W 11th St
33. Theft 1600 block of W 25th St
34. Theft From Vehicle - 1700 Vallecito Dr
35. Burglary - 1900 block of Vallecito Dr
36. Burglary - 2900 block of Anchovy Av
37. Theft From Vehicle - 2000 block of W 35th St
38. Burglary - 700 block of Bynner Dr
Quick, look the other way – no gangs here in SP! This place is paradise.
San Pedro man sentenced, released for time served, faces more charges
March 11, 2010
A San Pedro gang member who fired a gun into the air moments before the weapon was used in a murder and two attempted murders was sentenced Thursday to four years in state prison.
However, Andrew Trejo, 29, was not placed in custody because he had served enough time in jail already - even though he has a new assault case pending.
Trejo had previously pleaded no contest to negligent discharge of a firearm in exchange for a sentence that equaled time served, according to Deputy District Attorney LaChandra Wilkerson.
But while Trejo was awaiting sentencing, he was out of jail on his own recognizance and arrested again.
Trejo and another man were charged with two counts of assault with a deadly weapon for a Jan. 28 attack of two people with a metal pipe, according to the criminal complaint. They are also accused of vandalizing a car belonging to one of the victims, the complaint adds.
Trejo's criminal history, including previous convictions for violent crimes, is contained in the complaint,
along with an allegation that he was out on bail when the new incident occurred.
But, to the dismay of the murder victim's mother, Long Beach Superior Court Judge Arthur Jean refused to put Trejo back in custody.
"What's it gonna take for him to be put where he can't harm anybody anymore?" said Isabel Gutierrez, whose son, Michael Gutierrez, was killed on Jan. 23, 2005.
Gutierrez, 23, was shot by Hector Garcia Jr., 28, outside a party at a home in the 700 block of West Sixth Street.
Garcia, also a gang member, was in a confrontation with a rival over a tattoo, and Gutierrez intervened.
Across the street, Trejo fired a gun into the air and then Garcia, who was convicted by a jury earlier this month, retrieved it and used it to kill Gutierrez and shoot and wound two others.
Garcia is expected to be sentenced to life in prison on April 20.
Meanwhile, prosecutors delayed Trejo's sentence until Garcia's trial was complete. He was ordered to stay out of trouble while on bail.
According to Isabel Gutierrez, when Trejo came to court for sentencing, Wilkerson tried to get him back in custody on more than $1 million bail for the new case.
Defense attorney Henry Salcido, though, got the handcuffs off his client by noting that Trejo is legitimately out on the bail set by arresting officers from the Los Angeles Police Department's Harbor Division.
In an interview, Salcido said his client is not scheduled to be arraigned on the new case until March 18, and did not agree to have the date pushed up.
Trejo was allowed to remain free on $30,000 bail.
When he returns to court, it's likely prosecutors will again ask for an increase.
Salcido did not go into the details of the new case, but said his client was acting in a "defensive manner."
Nobody has mentioned the tiny neighborhood markets. I used to ride to the one at 16th and Centre when I was a kid and it's still there.
I wanted to point out that detailed information about school performance is available on this site too -- including specific data on the performance of magnet programs. Just click the tab above that says "schools" to learn more.
Woah, I had to chime in here about the magnet school at South Shores. Personal opinions aside, there are lots of websites to check out the school stats, and to the person who said the school was mediocre, and only middling by LAUSD standards, I beg to differ. Check the facts. South Shores Magnet scores higher in math, science and language arts than most California schools, let along the ones in L.A. One site said South Shores is has moved up from 9/10 to 10/10 in overall performance rating. Mediocre? I don't think so.
Yes, there are several lower performing schools in Pedro, but still enough good ones to provide choice. Like any city, unless you are going to a magnet or charter school, home schools vary depending on which part of town you live.
Again, tarring all of Pedro with one brush just isn't going to fly.
Six months ago I decided to walk every street in San Pedro. I wanted to see everything the city had to offer me; good, bad and in between. I started on the north end at Five Points and have snaked my way east and west, heading south to Cabrillo Beach. I've taken thousands of pictures and I'm only 2/3 of the way through.
I named my project San Pedro: Block by Block because I knew I would have to walk it in chunks over a period of time. As I hit the pavement, the prejudices I had began to crumble. I was walking streets I hadn't even driven before. I saw beautiful houses in yucky areas and yucky houses in beautiful areas. I've seen things on the streets that made me laugh and some that have made me angry. Soon San Pedro: Block by Block was morphing from a title into a philosophy. If you're thinking about moving here, you have to take San Pedro on a block by block basis. Yup, you're gonna have to work for it, but it's worth it.
If you want to know what it's like to live here, I can only describe it like this: Living in San Pedro is like living in an eternal family reunion. Mostly everyone knows eachother, and if they don't know you, they at least know your business. Some people you like, some make you crazy and some you wouldn't mind if you never saw again. There's good food, games, music and the occasional madness all with the prettiest backdrop you've ever seen. And we do it all in our matching San Pedro t-shirts.
To "I Live In Torrance" You don't live in SP, you don't know anything about us because you don't live here. You don't have the knowledge or authority to comment about us. Stay in your litte boring white suburban enclave. We don't want your kind here.
Hey SP Veteran:
Okay, Sherlock, you guessed a connection but got it wrong. Pedro Mom and I do know each other - she saw my post after hers and called me up to let me know she was posting. After that we were hooked on the board for about two days and that's why our comments were so similar. We would read what others said, compare notes, get outraged, then bash away on our computers. Who cares who writes up here, anyway - everyone's entitled to their opinion. One person going on and on, or lots of people chiming in. Everyone can have their say, and that's the way it goes here.
Pedro Mom told me she's over it all now, so I'll pass Avril's invitation on. They do live in the same part of town. I'm near the PV border up by Park Western.
Oh, you quirky San Pedrans! I hear a lot of artists live down there. Maybe this is just performance piece, like those big groups of people who start dancing in the supermarkets or Grand Central Station....
There is only one Rick Arellano and he would never pretend to be someone else. There is no one else I would rather be. I am pretty amazing.
SP Veteran (who doesn't even use his real name) I live near 13th and Palos Verdes Streets - yes, right in the old part of town. I don't know where any of the other people live but I'm wondering how you came up with an idea like that? Perhaps you do this yourself? I've never actually posted anywhere before and found that anonymity provides people with a brazenness they wouldn't have otherwise.
I do think that posters on the board should have to use their names, like those who write opinion letters to the Times. I think people would be more civilized. Pedro Mom, if you do check back in, I have coffee at Sacred Grounds on a regular basis. Come by, and if you see an older lady with a woven red tam, that's me. SP Veteran - you're welcome too!
You, Pat, Avril, Rick and House Hunting have lost credibility on this board.
Methinks the lady doth protest too much - some of these are the same person Pedro Mom, Pat, Avril, Rick.
Dear I Heart L.A.:
The farthest part of San Pedro may be within walking distance but it would take a few hours. South Shores is a several very hilly miles from downtown. I'm not sure what your point was, but there are plenty of people who live a lot closer to downtown who are not near any whizzing bullets.
My son went to South Shores and I know several parents who's kids have or still go there and the school has a 9/10 rating by LAUSD standards (sorry, that's all we have to go on in L.A.) - it goes up every year and is now just a few points below a 900 API score. The school also offers a full range of creative arts, including band, dance, theatre, visual arts; something that is sadly being stripped from other LAUSD schools due to the budget crunch. South Shores has an active PTO, involved parents, and a no-nonsense principal. I wouldn't dismiss the locale as 'academically irrelevant'. Kids who attend inner city schools around the country certainly are affected by the surrounding environment - gang activity, drug sales, fear of walking to school, this is often discussed as a challenge for students. South Shores is in a beautiful residential neighborhood with the clean sea air, and when I drove my son there every day I marveled at how beautiful the view was - 360 degrees of ocean. For parents who can't afford private school, this and Park Western Magnet are good choices. Taper, on the north end of town is also good, from what I hear, with similar parent participation and a nice campus.
San Pedro High used to be a good school and it has deteriorated markedly in the last decade. Hopefully the school choice program will breathe new life back into it - and there are magnet and charter schools for middle and high school. There will be a new campus near Point Fermin for the Marine Sciences Magnet, among others.
It's all about making choices in an economically mixed area. Some of the challenges we face here in Pedro.
I am so glad to see everyone jumping on the board with their point of view, and relieved that someone coming here to check out San Pedro, will get a fuller picture of life in this city - in all its diversity. So I humbly rescind my opinion that the board should be wiped clean. Leave everything up - the good, the bad, and the opinionated!
And geez, how many times do I have to defend my right to say that my life here is good? I never said it was 'blissful' or that it was 'paved with gold streets' or that 'children frolicked in the streets without fear'- that was someone trying to make a point and putting words in my mouth. Avril said kids play in the streets, and in some parts of town, that's true - Check out areas east of Gaffey in the old part of town during the afternoons and weekends sometime, and the streets are full of skateboarders, kids on bikes, kids playing street football. Would I let my kids play in the streets? No way. But I didn't let them play in the streets when I lived in a much nicer neighborhood in Santa Monica either.
What is emerging here is that, as Valen said in an earlier post, this is a whole city, with bad areas, transitional areas, middle class areas, and wealthy areas. My life here is comfortable, and as good as advertised, because I'm used to city living and just as others have posted here, I know how to tailor my life to focus on the interesting and safe things available here, and avoid getting into areas where there are obvious problems. I'm also not Pedro-centric either - I shop, dine, and go to events in town, but also all over the South Bay and Los Angeles.
I can leave this board now feeling a bit better. I only got on here when I saw the rash of really horrible things being said about Pedro and wanted to give my two cents. Both cents were genuine, I assure you. All of you have filled in the blanks on their version of how to navigate the Pedro experience, and I appreciate hearing so many voices.
Hey, I'm the one who was talking about Trumps - Avril, poor thing, was taking responsibility for something she didn't even do - that's a small town for you!
Trumps is in RPV (Rancho Palos Verdes for y'all), down the road from South Shores (where I do not live, unfortunately, because some of those houses are dreamy), but it does raise one of those SP insider things. We border RPV and that border changed a while back to incorporate some of SP's residential areas. It's true that for some, there is desire not to have Pedro as a mailing address. Our love/hate relationship with this place! Pedro or PV, depends on what side of the street you're on in some areas.
Some interesting info, and stats (from the L.A. Times above) that people might like to know:
San Pedro is classified as a large 'neighborhood' compared to others in the metropolitan area. It has among the highest number of high-school and college graduates in metropolitan Los Angeles, and our income is also among the highest. Highest number of veterans (due to our past as a navy base), and an almost equal ethnic mix of European and Mexican/Central/South American immigrants, most who have roots here for many generations due to the once-robust fishing industry. This is where StarKist Tuna started.
Once a Navy shipyard and base, the military still houses many of its officers in upscale compounds around the city.
San Pedro has the only post office in the United States run solely by volunteers, in the Weymouth Corners area. The other post office, on the waterfront, is a historic building and inside is a large example of mural painted with WPA artists in the 30's.
This is a Port town, where many community members work for one of the largest employers in SoCal, many blue collar jobs, often for six figure salaries.
We have a working Red Car trolley, one of a few restored or re-created from the days when Los Angeles had a network of trolley cars. It runs along the waterfront, and will eventually take visitors to Cabrillo Beach.
The cruise industry here is active, with ships docking most days; recently the Port renovated part of the Cruise Center waterfront and added a $14M fountain similar to the one at the Bellagio Hotel in Los Vegas, that is choreographed to music.
Though still blighted in some older parcels, San Pedro has undergone a noticeable change in downtown development, with a group of investors renovating historic buildings into condos, and creating new highrises. Although sales have been slow due to the economic downturn, these investors have organized and begun to show their muscle to help the community see more economic benefits from the wealth brought in by the Port's shipping interests. Despite our large size and the influence of the Port, we still only hold one seat on Los Angeles City Council We do not get our share of the economic pie down here, but it's improving. We still have a long way to go.
We face the Pacific on two coasts. Parts of San Pedro have the only east-facing coast in Southern California. The southern exposure provides views of Catalina Island, and is the main migratory route for whales. Hundreds are seen every year. We have a large recreational marina, two beaches, one is inside the breakwater and looks pretty but the water is not clean. The outer facing beach is rated A+ and provides a hidden oasis for locals.
I don't work for the Chamber of Commerce, in case you were wondering. I just want people to understand how diverse and complex, and yes, interesting, this 'neighborhood' is.
To “San Pedro Isn’t For Everyone”
Finally, a voice of reason. I’ve been lurking on this board for a couple of months. I’ve lived in San Pedro all of my life, with the exception of time I spent in the armed forces.
San Pedro is a nice place to live – if you stay out of certain areas. There is plenty of good along with plenty of bad. I love going to the Korean Bell, Point Fermin, and the Marine Mammal Center to look at the sea lions. All are family friendly and educational places. My children love riding on the old trolley near the water front.
Do I let my kids walk around without supervision? Of course not. But, what I don’t like about San Pedro, I can usually find something to negate that within 10 or 15 miles of here. This is NOT rural America where kids can walk around freely.
Are the schools top-notch? No. But, there are a couple of private schools that provide a good alternative to LAUSD that are not very expensive (i.e.: Mary Star).
Is there crime? Uh huh. I’ve had my car stolen recently, but that’s part of living in an eclectic area.
Is there racism? Yes. We live in LA and I see racism of all sorts – against Latinos, Blacks, Asians, Croatians, Italians (and other Caucasian groups). But it’s not pervasive.
Are their gangs? Yep. But they generally keep to themselves – and with the exception of graffiti, I rarely see any.
Is there culture? Are you kidding me? How about spending a date night with your loved one at Shakespeare by the Sea – fantastic! Or going to one of the many ethnic events in town, like the annual Festival of Philippine Arts and Culture at Point Fermin, or the Croatian Street Festival on Ninth.
Property values? Well, with the exception of the huge housing bubble during the first part of this decade, few will get rich buying a house here. But, over the long term, housing values generally rise steadily and keep pace with the rest of LA. Again, it’s all about location. I doubt there will be a spike in property values because of the port renovation efforts, the Disney cruise terminal, etc. I think the biggest opportunity that was missed is when San Pedro declined Disney’s offer to purchase and rehabilitate Ports O’ Call.
San Pedro is beautiful, seedy, middle-class, poor, haughty, dangerous, all at once.
To those of you who ask that this board be pulled down and started over: This board would have no value at all if only your vision of San Pedro were allowed to be expressed. Whether or not you like the opinions of others, their vision of SP is as how they see it. To deny that SP has its share of problems is simplistic and naive.
I grew up in the upper middle class suburbs of a major eastern city, one that was considered very safe. My parents always warned me of the dangers of the city, and they were complacent about their chosen , 'statistically' low crime area, with nice homes, manicured lawns. Crime happened where 'other people' lived.
When I was in high school a teenage rapist targeted our area and picked off several girls my age who, as they usually did, walked to school. One night, I was going to practice and this guy confronted me. There was no-one around, no one outside, no-one on the streets. Totally deserted as it usually was. I won't go into details but I survived unharmed. By my own wits, and not because I was helped by anyone, or I protected by the 'cone of safety' in my suburban neighborhood.
The point is, when people seek out areas they think are 'safe', it's an illusion, and too often they let their guard down as a result. You read stories every day about runners disappearing in 'safe' areas, children being abducted,violence behind closed doors in seemingly 'nice' neighborhoods.
I've seen the comments from the people who think San Pedro is not safe, but as a long-time urban dweller, I feel safer here because I am in touch with all that a community is, and the potential for mis-behavior is a reality, no matter where you live. It's human nature, and we can't escape it.
Living in a city where everything is out in the open helps me to gauge how to work to make it better, to become more involved, know my neighbors, foster inter-dependence. Pedro has one great strength, and it's been said here often: the people. Say what you will about the 'gritty' downtown areas, but there is more public-mindedness here than the quiet suburb where my parents still live. Their life is not for me.
A thought about San Pedro schools:
We’ve all heard about embattled San Pedro High that needs to be taken over by the state. Putting that catastrophe aside momentarily:
According to the LA Times, San Pedro schools score just about in the middle of performance when compared to other LAUSD schools. The highest performing schools being in the Hollywood Hills West and Westwood neighborhoods, and the lowest scoring being in the Vermont Square and the Chesterfield Square areas (formerly known as South Central). Personally, San Pedro schools don’t seem all that special – mediocre, yes, but not especially good. The South Shores/CSUDH Visual and Performing Arts Magnet School (sponsored by that bastion of higher education - CSU Dominguez Hills) does have a higher than average score for LAUSD – it’s just average for the state. Call it a great school? Hardly. Although I’m sure seeing all of the shimmering and shiny sea mammals is very nice, it’s not academically relevant.
Please, a little bit of moderation would go a long way to convince people not familiar with SP of your particular argument.
By the way, Pat – what is “far from downtown?” 3-4 miles? I betcha a stray bullet from a gangbangers gat could travel that distance. Think about it – the best part of SP is within walking distance to the worst part of SP.
I saw a guy with a large tattoo on his neck last night after work at the Albertsons on 25th Street. The tattoo was inked in beautiful Old English calligraphy that read “RSP.” Can anyone translate that for me? I bring it up because this upstanding citizen was accompanying a 4 or 5 year old little boy who had a faux tattoo on his neck that read the same thing. Just like daddy.
And sorry, Bob, I didn't mean to represent Trumps as being in Pedro, just that it is close by, as are a lot of beautiful areas on the peninsula. And for the record, my life here has been just as one would expect in an urban neighborhood of a big city. I am watchful, careful, but all in all, each day is a good one and I wouldn't live anywhere else. For those who don't have the same experience, I say empower yourself and do what you need to do. There's an interesting cultural mix here, that I appreciate. Kids do play in the street, people walk their dogs and baby strollers, and if my neighbors see a stranger lurking around my house, they will actually come out and nicely ask if they can do anything to help!
House Hunting criticized someone who posted earlier for making what she called not-so vague comments about where Former San Pedro Parent might now be living after he went on and on about what a cancerous cesspool SP is (nice!). And yet, she herself said there were gang members at the gas station where they fueled up. Unless they made gang signs in her direction, showed a gun, or declared their allegiance to a particular gang, she made an assumption herself. You take a guess as to what these individuals looked like and tell me it wasn't a racist comment. Hence my story about a friend who got scared when she saw the teens coming down my street in their baggy pants, etc. The choice is up to each of us what we say when we make comments on this public forum, and with it, comes a certain responsibility. She very well could have dissuaded many people from visiting this area and that is a shame.
Her second response was really vicious and one can't help wonder what she hoped to gain from 'winning' her argument. Points made here from other posters were valid and often San Pedrans don't speak up when faced with assumptions that just don't represent this city as a whole. Would you have been happy had her comments about San Pedro had been left up on the board with no balancing responses?
I was once House Hunting in San Pedro and I too was shocked at the blight. After careful analysis, I bought a fixer upper in South Shores for a Mil. I soon discovered that the views and investment potential attracted me to the area but the people make me want to stay. There is something special about the people. I know the taste of Boones Farm and have also enjoyed a fine Bordeaux. I have lived in Redondo/Hermosa Beach and laughed as the millionaires played in the street with their children. We can all agree that there are better cities to raise your children, but to insult an entire city population? Having lived where the Bordeaux runs freely, you remind me why I left. San Pedro residents don't speak like you. Your lack of manners and arrogant attitude is so foreign to us that we lashed out in anger. You don't belong here. You are a mean and rude person and I am glad your visit was brief. Have fun in your retirement community. Remember San Pedro when you're sitting there wondering if you're still alive. One last thing, the Disney Cruise terminal is going to raise property values through the roof and those gangbangers you saw? Meet YOUR new neighbors dear.
This conversation is hilarious! If you believe the hype, San Pedrans love a good dust-up. Maybe House Hunting could match up with Pedro Mom on Jerry Springer.
This is one of the most misunderstood places in the South Bay. Someone needs to create a photo essay of San Pedro with everything included - the good, the bad, and the sublime - it's time this community stepped out of the shadows and revealed all that she is. Then again, we wouldn't be able to smirk when it comes to opinionated blowhards who think they can come down here, pronounce us all gang-banging yokels who drink cheap wine - I liked that swipe the best! You go, House Hunter!
Or we could just agree to disagree, shake hands, and move on. 78,999 other people living here would appreciate it.
The House Hunting lady saw what she saw. We all know that Pedro has bad areas and that a visitor here can get the wrong impression. We hope she finds a nice place to live. We're used to this. And it makes absolutely no difference to the long time residents, what others think. Really. The people who come here are usually pleasantly surprised, given the reputation Pedro has, and those are the ones who come back to visit, live, or educate others about all that we have here.
Oh, wow. Some passionate opinions here.
I was just going to write I’ve lived here for the past 6 years and that I love the Pacific Diner and leave it at that.
I didn’t realize that the Trump National Golf Club was in San Pedro. Someone outta let the folks in RPV and the Donald know! Sounds to me that someone is upset their zip code is SP rather than PV (Hi Pat).
Avril – I missed where the house hunting lady indicated the ethnicity of the gang members she saw (or their gender, for that matter). That’s a pretty big assumption you made (and tinged with….). Really? Is this what this website is going to devolve to?
House Hunter – You made your (very long) point. Move it along to the O.C., you wouldn’t like it here nor would you feel welcome. Not sure you’ll be happy anywhere if all you see is the negative.
Former Pedro Parent – I started looking up those crime “facts” you wrote about, but got bored. As far as I can tell, the number of gangs, sex offenders, and murders in SP are accurate (and easily verifiable), but where did you get the other stats??? Never mind. It just doesn’t add up and I really don’t care.
Wow, House Hunting, you must feel a little embarrassed by the responses from residents, to strike back with such vehemence. If you expected the people who live here to simply ignore your comments, or to provide context to what you said, you don't know San Pedro (but we've already cleared this up). No one was as mean or vicious as you were in presenting their side. This is called civil discourse.
Many people here have said, quite eloquently, that your experience here is not indicative of the majority of those who live here, and since you checked back (I suppose everyone loves a platform) to find the responses, your vehemence and anger speak volumes about your purpose in responding. You went from sort of mean to downright vicious. And I do hope people who read these will take it in the spirit it was intended.
It was not enough for you to simply lash out - you made fun of, and exaggerated the positive things people said here (try to find the terms you said other people used in their posts), to make your point. Just sad.
I have no doubt you will check back - you seem intent on turning this into a shouting match no matter how long you have flog the subject. I hope the moderators on this post pull the whole thing down and start fresh. This is not productive information for people who are truly interested in learning about San Pedro.
I want to point out something important: San Pedro is classified as a 'neighborhood' by the Times, but it is, in fact, an entire city, one with a long history and independent character that was absorbed into metro L.A. area years ago for political and financial reasons. But it still has all the features of a city in typical ways, complete with an older downtown, disadvantaged areas with public housing, commercial areas, urban residential areas, and suburban residential areas. Real-estate values vary by area (as they would in any city).
Any one opinion about San Pedro is simply that, and it depends on where someone lives. For every taste and income level, there is a neighborhood within the borders of San Pedro that has something to offer. Don't let anyone on this board tell you differently.
But no matter where you live in San Pedro, or your income level, we do share one thing in common, and that is access to the ocean, by view, by walk, by bike ride, by beach blanket, by ship watching, by sound, and experience. Yes, there is light from the Port, but look to the south, to the vast open Pacific, and the night sky is darker and more full of stars than you'll see anywhere in Los Angeles. No amount of money can buy this inland.
To cast San Pedro as an oasis of glistening gold paved streets, where children happily frolic in the neighborhood without fear is simply dishonest, or at very best, coming from those who are blinded by their desire to protect a poor investment choice in the home they purchased. In my opinion, San Pedro was simply not that great. There are far better places to live. Although, I completely understand why people want to hype-up a community to protect their investment, unfortunately it provides skewed and inaccurate information.
To suggest that I cannot make a judgment on a locale by visiting is absurd. People who purchase homes first visit the community before shelling out 20%. That’s what potential homeowners do. It’s not realistic for most people to live in a community for many years to obtain a “realistic view” prior to buying. And by “realistic view,” I mean a view that is compatible with a zealot who cannot understand why someone wouldn’t want to live in a slum.
I was generous in my earlier description of San Pedro. However, since ‘Pedro Mom’ thinks that my comments should be viewed with skepticism because of the short time I spent there, I will be more specific. Here’s what we saw: Gang members and graffiti, questionable “massage parlors” (i.e.: houses of ill repute), a truly unattractive thoroughfare, a housing project with undesirables loitering in front of it, a police stand-off of some sort, several half-way houses, a dirty port... I can go on and on, but I don’t think it will matter much.
That was my “realistic view” of San Pedro in the very short time I visited while house hunting. I can only imagine what else would have been available for me to “realistically view” had we decided to live there! I didn’t have any preconceived notions driving into San Pedro and did so with a completely open mind (otherwise we wouldn’t have wasted our time). So, I visited an area that looked promising and was utterly disappointed with what I saw. In my previous post, I simply made points about my personal experience while looking for a home to purchase. We are not going to pay $XXX thousand for a piece of property that is located in an area that we’re not comfortable in. It’s a personal decision as well as a sound financial decision.
Some who have posted on this board may think that is perfectly acceptable to live in a community with the elements I’ve described. I do not.
Good luck on promoting your town.
“It’s difficult to understand the enjoyment of a fine Bordeaux when you’ve only ever swilled from the bottle of Boone’s Farm.”
Several years ago I worked for a large corporation in Beverly Hills. The CEO lived in San Pedro, and drove up every day. I thought it was strange for someone who could afford to live anywhere to make this long drive. I knew nothing about San Pedro back then, and when I asked him, he just said, “I love it there. Something about it gets into your bones and you can’t leave.” I just assumed that because he’d been a Navy man in his past it was peculiar to him. Then a few years later I came down to San Pedro myself and after a few visits I began to understand what he meant. Unlike the person who drove through with a real-estate agent, I took my time visiting this area before deciding to buy my first home. My first time at the Lighthouse Café, where the ocean curves around the end of the Peninsula, the lighthouse visible at the end of a lovely residential street. The friendly waitress took my order and then asked me if I was new in town. Where else in L.A. would this happen? Since then I’ve had nothing but great experiences here as a resident. A week doesn’t go by where someone doesn’t say to me, “San Pedro is a unique and special place to live.” In all the years living elsewhere I never had that same sense of belonging. My neighbors all watch out for each other and kids play in the streets.
My final comment is to the house-hunting person who drove through here and wrote a very long, negative opinion of our town, then chastised someone for ‘overt’ racial comments. You opened the door so let me close by saying that when I first moved here a friend from the Westside saw three teenagers coming down my street in low pants, slicked back hair. She was visibly distressed. They got up to us and one of them said, “See you on Friday, Miss Avril!” He cuts my lawn for spending money. You made a racial profile of the men in the gas station. Funny how we judge others before really examining our own biases.
One of the impediments about San Pedro is that we are at the end of the freeway on a peninsula. People who don't live here have a limited idea of this town, (and a lot of stereotypes and misconceptions). The downtown, grittier areas are the first thing you see when you come off the 110 Frwy. But San Pedro has many nice middle class areas with Spanish architecture, and some really beautiful parts--, you just have to venture further in, and spend some real time here to understand why people love it so much.
And to that lady who came through house-hunting, I wonder why her real estate agent didn't show her South Shores or some of the other ocean-side neighborhoods near PV. Perhaps these multi-million dollar homes were out of her price range. Drive a little further down the road and you can lunch at Donald Trumps opulent golf club. Natural beauty is everywhere here, you just need to be open to looking for it.
I think the school referred to in an earlier post is South Shores Performing & Visual Arts Magnet. Great school! It does have a great view of the Pacific and is in an expensive neighborhood far from downtown. Some of the schools aren't the best, but there are enough good ones, just like you'd find in most areas served by LAUSD.
I think the people who don't see San Pedro as their kind of town will move on, and that's ok. There are plenty of people left who marvel at how amazing this town is and feel a bit like those celebrities who have all kinds of sensationalist stuff written about them in the tabloids. You just have to turn ignore it and know what you know in your own life.
And p.s. - the Harbor entrance to San Pedro with the bridge twinkling in blue at night, and the $15M fountain in front of the cruise ships dancing to music is a much nicer way to begin your San Pedro experience. The Gaffey bridge is a bit sad, yes, but no graffiti (if there is, it gets cleaned up ASAP). Funny how one's memory of a place in a few hour trip can be a bit skewed.
This is frustrating! My life and daily experiences are as described, and it's amazing that someone could come on here and say they are just not true. Sorry if you think it's not possible to have a 'blissful' life here. Let me assure you, House Hunting, that everything I said earlier is accurate, and is not skewed in any way to make a point.
It would be helpful if these posts could provide people with a realistic view of what living in a certain community is about. "Living", being the operative word! House Hunting drove through here one day and her comments should be viewed accordingly.
And, House Hunting could have been a little more cognizant of how cavalierly she denigrated a place she spent a few hours in. Thousands of families live here, this is their home! Let's see how you feel when you settle in your new neighborhood and someone devalues your investment.
And I am in a multi-racial family. One of the great assets living here.
We recently relocated from out-of-state because of my husband’s work. His company has provided us a real estate agency to work worth.
Before moving, we looked on this board for possible neighborhoods to purchase a home in. Despite some of the comments on this board, we were excited to look at San Pedro this past weekend.
I agree with ‘Cassandra Keyse.’ No place can be as blissful and harmonious as ‘Current SP Resident’ or ‘Pedro Mom’ says, or as bad as ‘Former Pedro Parent’ describes. The truth is somewhere in between.
As we entered San Pedro from the freeway, I was disappointed. The town has an awesome natural “entrance” that could have been used. Instead we were greeted with a run-down, graffiti laden bridge.
First we looked at downtown, where new lofts have been completed. The building was very nice. We couldn’t get over the “grittiness” of the surrounding area, though. Several homeless people mingling around, and (again) lots of graffiti in the area. Our real estate agent then took us to an area called Vista Del Oro. Most of the homes were adequate, but not quite up to par with what we hoped. We then headed to the White Point area. Getting to the area was interesting. Part of Gaffey was blocked off by LAPD because of some “activity.” Lots of police cars, a helicopter, yellow crime tape, etc. It looked like something out of a movie! Had we not seen other parts first, perhaps we would have considered White Point. I can’t help to think that the rest of San Pedro negatively impacts values at White Point. We looked at several other neighborhoods – the most promising seemed to be around Averill Park.
Later that night, we decided to venture into San Pedro without the agent. We had a good meal at the Whale and Ale and then drove back up to Averill Park. There is blinding light pollution from the harbor at night that can be seen from both Vista Del Oro and Averill Park. It’s hard to describe that amount of amber-hue that comes in from the port.
We did wind up in some very undesirable places – including a particularly dangerous looking area around 2nd street. Finally, we fueled up around Gaffey and 1st and headed back to our corporate apartment. There was a car full of gang-member at the gas station, probably not an area we would choose to live in.
The bottom line: There were a couple of decent pockets in San Pedro, but they were small and were enveloped by unsavory environs. From our POV, it’s not worth the investment to live in San Pedro – the negatives outweigh the positives. This coming weekend we’ll look in Seal Beach and see what’s in that town.
As a side note, being a multi-racial family, I was encouraged that I didn’t read any racially derogatory comments on this board. Until, that is, ‘Current SP Resident’ posted his/her not-so-vague racist comment, “I bet I can guess the ethnic make-up of your refuge, too,” in response to…whatever. Racism against any group is still racism and is not nice.
I agree with you about pseudonyms - and about taking comments here with a grain of salt. I'm contributing because there was no balance in recent posts to some of the really negative things being said by a very few people about San Pedro. This is a public medium with the potential to be read by thousands. We need balance. Over the years there have been a lot of misconceptions about Pedro and we need to set the record straight.
To that point, I must take exception to your comment about people not getting out of San Pedro, or being free-loaders. These are generalizations and given the number of beautiful homes and neighborhoods in this area, anyone coming here would see that can't be true of the majority of people who choose to live here. I don't know anyone in SP who is a freeloader - I just know hard working people of every economic level. According to the L.A. stats, there are 78,000 people living here (not 22,00 as I erroneously said earlier) and like any city, you will find social-economic strata across the board, with corresponding types of people, and yes, no city this size is filled only with fabulous, worldly, wealthy folks.
San Pedro needs people who are committed to making this community better and in the past few years there has been a definite shift in empowerment here and the community is on a upswing as a whole, despite the faltering economy. The billion dollar waterfront plan was just passed and this will continue to improve our outlook. San Pedro High has been neglected of late, so now something is being done, and this will change.
As for people not getting out - yes, there are generations of families living here and that, in my opinion, is what makes this small area of a huge metropolis like Los Angeles unique and special. L.A. is a transient city, and finding this kind of social network is rare. I am a relatively new resident (my husband's family came here in the '60's) and have found the small-town atmosphere to be welcoming, supportive, and refreshing. San Pedro has been a step-child of L.A. for too long, with billions of dollars of revenue going north to support a major city instead of in our coffers, as it does in Long Beach.
If you look at the posts for other neighborhoods in L.A. you will not find the passionate opinions (pro and con) anywhere else. This should tell you something - and hopefully all who read these, too. I have never experienced the kind of loyalty to a city community in Southern California that I see here. And we fight the good fight every day to live in a place that needs commitment to thrive and succeed. This to me, is the American spirit at work.
I love Pedro. My family still lives there and it will always be the place I think of as "home." But after moving out of LA to go to college, I would never be able to move back.
Despite what people say, San Pedro is a wonderful place to grow up, but I find it sad that no one ever leaves. There is a huge world out there that is free of the "locals only" mantra and free-loading attitude that San Pedro residents possess.
I think that every comment should be taken with a grain of salt because as with any comment field, it's usually those with polarized views on the topic who choose to express their opinions. And also, if you are going to give your opinion and do hope to be taken seriously, don't use a pseudonym.
Hello Former SP Resident:
Glad you left. We think of San Pedro as L.A.'s greatest little secret and people like you are better off in an enclave where you feel safe. Talk about denial! I bet I can guess the ethnic make-up of your refuge, too. As for raising kids who are self-sufficient and responsible - guess what - it's about working for the community good, being involved in your schools, volunteering to help keep the neighborhoods clean, and safe, setting an example of good citizenship, and your kids will grow up just fine.
And for those who happen to read Former's trash-talk cloaked in 'data and facts', just remember, he thinks pretty much every place has gone to the dogs, so he's probably talking about your Los Angeles neighborhood too.
One more thing: I don't know, nor does anyone I know, have any connection to or knowledge of any of the people on that list you felt obliged to put up - you should be ashamed of yourself using their memory to make a point.
I hope those who are reading some of these posts see a few bad apples (and grumpy, mis-informed people) for what they are and come down to see our town for yourselves. If you like maritime history, huge ships gliding in and out at the end of the village street, a great, sheltered town beach rated A+ (not the port beach, for those who will be quick to dispute) with dolphins and whale watching, a beautiful marine aquarium, artists lofts, and galleries everywhere.
This is REAL life in San Pedro: Today my 6 year old and I went to Hawai'i Day at Cabrillo Beach Marine Aquarium five minutes from our house, and saw 5-time Grammy winner Daniel Ho in concert with world class Hula dancers, fresh leis for everyone ($1.00 admission to the Aquarium) then we went downtown to the Warner Annex and watched a shadow puppet show - this venue has world-class musical acts from around the world. Strudel afterwards on 7th Street at Mishi's Strudel, rated by the L.A. Times as one of the top 10 best cafes in Los Angeles. We are regulars and they greet us like family (as do all the downtown businesses). Next week is First Thursday (every month) downtown, with galleries, restaurants, and shops open to a lively street atmosphere.
This section of comments has lost its usefulness, unfortunately, for someone who really wants to know San Pedro. The only thing you learn here now is that some very angry people feel necessary to spew out venomous comments that have no real bearing on San Pedro as a whole. Please keep in mind that there are a small number of these comments in a town of 22,00 people.
Take the so called dispassionate facts and figures commentary from 'Former Pedro Parent' - who obviously had a bad personal experience living here and this could be true of any number of people in an urban area. It's upsetting to allow this kind of personal vendetta on a board where people might actually believe what someone says as fact. What an insult to those of us who live here in beautifully groomed, great family neighborhoods with absolutely NO problems. A subsequent post showed his 'facts and figures' to be misleading and yet it remains on the board with the damage done.
Former Parent's comment denigrating our judgement living here with kids is insulting and ridiculous to boot. My daughter attends a top rated school overlooking the Pacific Ocean and Catalina Island. Whales and dolphins are often visible during migration periods. What other school in Southern California can make this claim? We have some of the most beautiful, upscale neighborhoods and breathtaking views anywhere in the L.A. area. Downtown has undergone a huge investment with new shops, private security, modern, sophisticated condos and urban living. San Pedro deserves to be seen and appreciated for all that it is. Urban, yes, and not for those who want to live in Simi Valley.
And to the person who made the negative pronouncement about the older neighborhoods east of Gaffey - I actually live here so I can speak with authority about the area surrounding our home. We include teachers, executives, small business owners, office workers, and your assessment is a sweeping generalization that just isn't accurate. While parts of the area are working class and yes, struggling, for the most part we are neither economically disadvantaged, nor are we overrun by undesirables. We are, in fact, surrounded by homes that are well cared for, with tended gardens, caring neighbors, sea views, beaches, parks, and a real community spirit.
to Barbara, I agree about Okla City and I live in Oklahoma. Tulsa is much better in every way than OK City. Please don't think all people in OK are like the ones you've encountered.
Moved from San Pedro (lived there 17 years) five years ago to Ok. City, Ok. -- thinking it would be less expensive. Well, the jokes on me. My car insurance went up, groceries are as/or more expensive, utilities are higher (air- conditioning and heating), restaurants are terrible and over-priced, they do not stop for people who need to cross the street, handicap facilities are not always available, the people are out of shape and fat (riding electric scooters -- provided by medicare or government (i.e. taxpayers), the physicians are not as thorough and quite honestly don't seem to care, for the most part buildings are empty and have been for years, there is half finished construction everywhere, the people are terrible drivers at best, they are not friendly (contrary to popular belief), you don't go out in the summer because it is too hot -- you don't go out in winter because it is too cold or you'll kill yourself falling on the ice or hydroplane in your car, ( oh yes, the businesses and schools close down if there is a snowstorm -- your electricity goes out), most of the people do not appear to care about exposure to other cultures and learning new things, the high school dropout rate is beyond high, the access to items you might be shopping for is very limited or not even available -- that said -- I can't wait to move back to San Pedro! Appreciate the weather, the diversity, the mountains, desert, oceans, and just being lucky enough to be in California -- you have everything and more right at your feet. Before I leave -- you might be interested to know that with all the problems with the LAPD people complain about -- we have EMS employees here fighting (literally) with policer officers, poorly trained police officers (if you can find one) in general, and Judges releasing convicted dangerous criminals and repeated rapists from jail on a regular basis, abuse of children and/or the death of children in the care of the State is on the front page of the newspapers every day -- I understand the coroner is now currently being charged with rape (he took the place of another individual dismissed last year) and other inappropriate behavior. Just take me back to California -- I'll never complain about the freeways and overcrowding again!
While many people will agree to disagree, the reality of San Pedro is this... If you live between 1st Street and 22nd Street, and between Harbor Blvd and Gaffey you live within the middle to Lower income part of town. With that being said, you also live involuntarily with Persons with Psychological issues, Drug Addicts, Abandoned Child, Battered Women, Drunks and the inescapable Homeless.
Yes all cities have these things, but so few cities have them so close to one and another as well as squeezing several thousand residents within that same area.
When you have a councilwoman who is only interested in an area as this because she received kickbacks from the programs which are contained within. This has to make you think.... really what the hell is going on here?
My spouse tells me it was completely different when they were growing up. That may be the case, but it sure has turned into an ugly town. Do yourself a favor, if you can... leave! This town may have charm, but so does a rabid dog from afar.
Good to visit for a short period of time, bad to stay for too long.
And for those who are so proud to live here.... consider this.... Most of the LA Gov't employee's refuse to live here, ever wonder why that is??
I am a facts and data person, too. I don't know where "Former Pedro Mom" got her information because all data that San Pedro has is classified under the LA Police department "Harbor Division". Under that classification, it shares crime data with Wilmington, Harbor City and Terminal Island..several other cities as well as several more miles and thousands more included in population. The information she provided is quite skewed. San Pedro Mom wanted to give data as her "2 cents", but...she omitted a considerable amount of information.
I have lived San Pedro over a year, I live on 7th in the downtown area with all the new lofts and such. I have never been raped, robbed or had a car stolen. Just MY "2 cents".
I’m a facts-and-data type of person. Putting emotions aside, I make decisions based on sound information. While not a pessimist, I don’t see things through the haze of rose- tinted glasses, either.
Below is some data on SP, a relatively small area - only 12 square miles.
There are 6 active gangs in SP (not including cliques within these gangs), each has a unique loyalty that makes up part of SP and should be a clue as to what’s to follow.
Currently, there are 78 registered sex offenders that live in SP.
This past year there were:
56 reported cases of violent crimes, including vicious rapes, terrifying robberies, horrific assaults and murders.
68 reported cases of children and spouses who were beaten up by someone they once loved and trusted.
344 reported cases of cars being stolen and other types of burglary – property stolen after your hard work to earn them.
All of this within the confines of a mere 12 square miles that is known as SP. Extraordinary.
Someone on this board indicated that they’ve never known anyone who has been a victim of crime in SP. Statistically that is remarkable considering all of the reported crime that occurs within 12 square miles. How many residents know any of these people who were murdered within the past couple of years in SP:
Lauri Leih Gilbert and baby
Real estate data shows that families with financial means to purchase AND upgrade homes in SP have shrunk in the past 3 years, not increased. It appears that these types of families are not coming back to SP, but are fleeing. Trends indicate no urban renewal in SP in the foreseeable future, especially in traditional neighborhoods with single family houses.
These are some of the reasons why we decided to move out of SP after starting a family – it’s just not worth the risk to knowingly place our children in harms’ way. Some have said that you’ll find crime in any city, and I cannot argue that point. For us, it is about the ratio and degree of crime that we are willing to accept (or not).
Some parents are willing to raise children in a neighborhood like SP – I guess that’s a judgment call. We moved away from SP and into an area that will not tolerate the amount of crime that the majority of SP residents tolerate. We decided to live in an area where parents hold children accountable for their actions; where school is an extension of learning at home (as opposed to LAUSD standards); where neighbors truly look after one another, and where there are no gangs. Yes, these areas still exist, you just have to have the wherewithal to find them and move.
There are 1 or 2 jewels in SP, although you have to reach down into San Pedro’s rancid-filled cancerous bowels to find them.
I'd like to add something here - the many passionate opinions expressed here are exactly what makes San Pedro so unique and this loyalty should be the biggest clue as to the value of living here. It's a city within a city, yet still maintains the small town sensibility created before it was annexed by Los Angeles.
Every neighborhood in San Pedro is different, and the good ones far outnumber the small, older area of gritty ones. The poorer the neighborhood, the more transitional and susceptible it is to urban crime, and that's nothing new. Thank goodness for people who have started coming back in, renovating the beautiful Victorian homes on Vinegar Hill and other core neighborhoods. Complainers need not apply. Our waterfront areas and city center are undergoing major changes, so the surrounding gritty areas are shrinking every year - I've seen worse graffiti in many other cities around the nation. People don't let it stay here, that's what matters. To tell people that San Pedro is a lousy place to live, is like telling people to avoid Los Angeles because certain parts of it have crime.
Most of San Pedro is made up of beautiful, safe neighborhoods, and people need to know this. 'Little Man' is telling us less about Pedro and more about who his family associates with, because no-one I know has or ever known anyone who has been assaulted, robbed, or, God-forbid, shot! Let's keep some perspective on these comments, please, and let the real Pedro shine through!
My parents moved my brother and I to San Pedro from Northern Ireland in 1987. We grew up there and were educated in American culture by our kind old landlord, John. He was like a grandfather to us. We went to school at Mary Star and found other kids who were like us... immigrants. My best friend was Korean. My classmates were Yugoslavian, Mexican, African- American, Italian and everything in between. It was a great place to grow up. We eventually moved to Ventura County, but I still consider San Pedro one of my hometowns. I try to get back whenever I can and i still have a faint notion that i might just end up going back.
Fascinating to read the comments here about our town, San Pedro. It is a city within a city, and yes, there are some poorer areas (as in any city), but this is a unique and vibrant place to be, and to raise a family. Having lived in a variety of wealthier, westside neighborhoods, I can appreciate the differences: Los Angeles can be an anonymous, self-centered place to live, where friendships are a challenge to make and maintain over the great that make up the southland sprawl. But here in this hilly seaside town, are true, old-fashioned neighborhoods, communities of involved and active members, connections to be made every day at the grocery store, the coffee shops, our unique mom-and-pop stores, and family-owned restaurants. Here you see children playing in the streets, multi-generational families with histories tied to the land and ocean in this area; hard-working trades people and college-educated professionals mix with ease. It is also a culturally mixed community, something America strives to be, and it represents a wide variety of attitudes, ethnicities, economic, and educational differences.
What San Pedro is not, is a class-exclusive, economically or culturally segregated enclave where residents can go about their business and ignore the challenges of living in a real city; where they can disconnect in the privacy of their manicured properties. In San Pedro, people feel pride in belonging to neighborhoods with a sense of history and connections to others, where they get involved in civic affairs because here, one person can and does make a difference.
And it is on the ocean! Our town beach is hidden from tourists, we see porpoises and whales, and hear the bouys and the cries of gulls and sea lions. This is no poor man's PV (have you seen some of our beautiful seaside neighborhoods?) - this is San Pedro, unique in its own right - a choice for urban dwellers who want to have a taste of what a city was like 100 years ago when the shopkeepers knew your name and gave treats to your kids. I have a choice, and could live anywhere in Los Angeles. I chose, as many thousands do, generation after generation, to live here in San Pedro.
Just a handful of comments here and I find somebody from grade school! That's a small town for you.
I felt like an alien growing up not-Croatian and not-Mexican in San Pedro, but I learned how to make mostaccioli and grill swordfish. School field trips were on retired trawlers out at sea. Our play forts were WWII navy bunkers. We kept our eyes open for rattlesnakes while rollerskating at Friendship Park. Raw bacon served as bait for catching crawdads at Averill Park. We were the cause of the aforementioned night racket and helicopters breaking up parties, and cops with a sense of humor would roust us from the beaches at night singing "The Party's Oooooover..." Friends with more money could teach you a lesson about generosity and friends with less could teach you about pride.
People seemed to be there for generations, doing the same jobs, and not seeing much point in the rest of the world. There was an appealing stability to that, but in a way it was like the LaBrea Tar Pits (another field trip destination).
As soon as I could I left, but there is always a San Pedro hoodie from the surf shop hanging by my door.
I moved away from San Pedro 3 years ago this month to Santa Barbara County. The fact that I'm sitting here reading about San Pedro after having "escaped" sais something about this wonderful part of Los Angeles.
When I was packing, I couldn't wait to get away from the bad air, the sirens, the dirt on Gaffey Street...the homeless. Bigger and better things awaited me. I was on my way to paradise...the central coast.
While I was not far off...the central coast is just about one of the most beautiful places I have ever lived in, I do make a point of going back to San Pedro whenever I'm in LA.
And how it changes each time. The wonderful volunteers on the neighborhood councils, people who dedicate hours of their lives trying to keep San Pedro beautiful, have really made a difference. North Gaffey looks great! Also, driving up to South Gaffey from the freeway, the entrance to San Pedro has taken on a nice fresh look.
Its the people who love and believe in San Pedro that make it what it is...and that is different from any other neighborhood in LA. There is something about Pedro...that stays with you even after you leave. A sense of true community. You have to experience it to know what I'm writing about...but Pedro has a persona all its own that is very different...unique for such a large population. It has a small town feel, yet its not a small town.
To the NC members...keep up the great work, you are truly changing the face of your community into something that will endure. Thank you!
I bought a townhome on Grand Ave and Seventh. I have lived in San Pedro for a year and have had no problems. I walk at night downtown, shop, wine taste and walk my dog and I am female. Sure, sometimes you see a obvious knuklehead from time to time but, it's Los Angeles, not Mayberry. Most of the people are nice and say hello when I walk down the street. This city is a mix people and if a all white neighborhood is a decision quantifier for moving to San Pedro or not as a basis for safety, then the naysayers will not agree with me.
If you want a boring suburb that will stay boring forever without any possible better future, the valley is full of places to move to. San Pedro needs more positive people with vision to make it the diamond it should and will be. As a matter of fact, a new park is opening today!
Just moved in to a crappy apartment on 10th St near the water. It's scary. I got robbed on the street the second night I was there. Everyone I've talked to in the neighborhood is packing heat, and now I'm considering it too, though I've never owned a gun before. In the morning when I come outside, I'm pleasantly surprised to see my car still there.
But hey, the rent is cheap!
I moved away from San Pedro many years ago but it will always be home to me. My mither still lives there up by the YMCA. We grew up in the projects on 2nd & Beacon and boy those were the days. Going swimming down by the museum. Exploring Ports o Call Village. The Boys Club. High school football games at Daniels Field. I attended Barton Hill, Dana Jr. High, and San Pedro High all in the late 70's and early 80's. What great fun. It wasnt the best of times in those days but it sure was fun. Pedro rocks
first trip here in 59 turned me on to Pedro..had to go to mac.. im from midwest. came back here after my daughter turned 2..still loved the place.. but now must leave so that my daughter will not get shot down like so many of her and her sisters friends have been..new police station????where are they when the shooting starts????
Too bad some of the other people who took the time to write had such bad experiences. My take is that, like any place, there is good and bad. The area east of Gaffey can look, feel, and be a little rough. That said, we have some very good friends who live in that neighborhood and have had no troubles. (And by the way, if anyone wants to say that Gaffey is among the ugliest streets anywhere, they'll get no argument from me.)
The farther west of Gaffey you go, the better the neighborhoods -- and the views. Yes, there is some noise and yes, there seem to be a lot of sirens. But San Pedro has something a lot of neighborhoods don't seem to have, which is a sense of community. I have witnessed incredible commitment to community improvement, especially the Bridge To Breakwater project (long running). I've also seen great turnout for neighborhood watch meetings, the kind of turnout the cops tell us would be the envy of other communities served by the LAPD.
Downtown is slowly coming around, with a great wine shop, deli, gelato shop, British-themed tavern, a number of new loft developments, and the renovated Warner Grand theater. There are also a number of very good restaurants. Farther west on 8th Street is a great jazz venue -- Alva's -- which comes alive only on weekends, and has been praised by every single act I've seen there as unique in LA.
I walk everywhere in town, including at night, and have never had any real problems. Are there gangs? I wouldn't doubt it. Are there goofball kids? Absolutely. Are there peaceful, lovely neighborhoods? Yes. Is there a great mix of people? Yes.
What San Pedro has is a mix of small-town feeling that is, I believe, unique in this area, combined with a world-class port, some absolutely incredible views, one of the nicest parks I've ever seen (Averill Park) that is only one of many in this town and a real commitment to helping make and keep this town a better place.
If you want absolute safety, absolute peace and quiet, top-notch schools, etc. etc. then LA probably isn't for you. Beverly Hills, Malibu, etc. But for great housing with great views, a real mix of people and neighborhood feeling, all at what remain relatively reasonable prices, it's Pedro.
Purchased a house in SP about 5 years ago on the "nice" side of town (i.e. west of Gaffey), had a baby and started to raise her in our cute little Craftsman home.
When the police wouldn't let us drive into our alleyway because of the dead body located there as a result of a gang shooting, we decided to politely move out of SP – and Los Angeles for that matter.
Honestly, we tried to stick with it, even after I couldn’t park in my garage because of the drunken gentleman who was passed out in front of the driveway - twice.
I did, however, become a skilled painter. A lesson we learned early on was to keep a good supply of paint handy so that you can keep up with the Jones’ during the weekly graffiti cleanup. Seems that in LA, there is an acceptable amount of blight.
Aside from the gangs, dirty neighborhoods, ghetto-type people, lawless animal-like teenagers of disinterested parents, dead bodies, homeless vagrants urinating wherever they please (i.e. on the wall of the public library), local crackheads, housing projects, incessant noise of the infamous ghetto birds circling above (police helicopters), the many halfway houses, dinner punctuated with gunfire, LAUSD, and ubiquitous graffiti, it was fine.
One reason I’d briefly go back to SP is the Omelet and Waffle Shop (but only with wearing good quality body armor). Great Saturday morning breakfasts! Other than that, it’s pretty much a cesspool.
I have lived in San Pedro for about 12 years now. I am amazed at how many people here never leave home once they become adults. They lay around their parents houses doing absolutely nothing when they are not running around with their gang friends. They bring a girlfriend or boyfriend home, start their own families and sign up for public assistance. Their houses go into disrepair and they really do not care. Some areas of San Pedro are turning into slums. Its sad as there is so much potential in this unique little area.
I lived in San Pedro 20 years ago and still go back to visit. I was always amazed at the small-town feel of this community in one of the world's largest cities. If you go walking in Pt. Fermin, people always say "hello." If you are on a small cross street at stop sign wondering how you will ever get across Gaffey, you will soon have all four lanes of traffic come to a stop and motion you across. If you get a beer in Bessie Walker's Cafe, you sometimes get in a John Prine singalong, talk with the mayor, or get in a discussion about old Volvo 122s. What a wonderful place!
It was the first place i moved to after arriving from the u.k.
I would love to say it made me feel welcome and was a home from home.
It was not.
I saw a man hit by a car and no one stopped - that was my first day, and one of the best
Sorry to be down on it, but hey it was down on me
I lived in San Pedro all through the 1980's. I suffered with a derelict person camping in my back yard. My vegetable garden and fruit trees were picked clean before I could get home from work and have any for myself after toiling to raise healthy food. Every small animal that managed to get out was missing (presumably eaten). My landlord constantly raised the rent. The gangs rampaged the streets shooting up houses and beating the heck out of incoming immigrants. I was afraid to go out at night.
My kids were trained to walk on the side of the road that had parked cars in case a drive by happened, they would be able to hit the ground and have a little cover.
I went shopping at the Safeway one time and a sick person slid onto the floor to take a picture up my dress. Another time a gang of 6 full grown men followed me out of the Safeway to my car to steal my groceries and purse. Imagine their surprise when I turned around with a loaded gun and asked which one was first?
Oh yeah. The views are lovely in San Pedro. But it is a hard place to live.
I forgot to add, i played baseball for Bob Moulton as a Barton Hill Cougar, football at the Boys Club for Nick Trani, they were legendary coaches because they molded boys into men, as a teenager going to the dances at the Yogoslav hall, crusing on Pacific Ave as a car member of the Chessman, going to the movies at the drive-in, visiting my extended family ie cousins, aunts and uncles and alot of friends yea friends that i may not have seen for many years, but i know we are friends for life. yea im an old Pedro dog and Pirate for life. there is soooo much more that can said.
If you love contrast, you'll love San Pedro: a community with both a small town and big city feel, where fishingboats and sailboats bob alongside container and cruise ships of the great Port of Los Angeles. Against a backdrop of concrete and bougainvilla, community neighborliness competes with big city noise and traffic. If you live here, you must accept the noise: helicopters, sirens, car alarms (frequently set off by the over loud motorcycles), barking dogs, weekend partying, and the folks who'll use their garages for anything but cars. And, how many leaf blowers does it take to maintain yards the sizes of postage stamps?
But, should you manage to garner enough peace and quiet to read, there's a fun and friendly library, the wonderful and historic William's Book Store, and delightful Little Fish Theatre. Marvellous views of the ocean and the hills abound. There's lots of talent: check out the First Thursday Art Walks, and Angels Gate. Visit nature in Peck and Friendship Parks, and Point Fermin. Or take a sweet evening stroll by the dancing fountain in the romantic harbor lights. Salt water taffy and other surprises can be had found at Ports o Call: tourists treats can even be found in the drugstores. At night, bask in the glow of the humungous yellow LIQUOR sign, or and the big lit-up, red chicken bucket; visible even in the thickest fog! By day, enjoy the roses, ducks, wedding parties, and great city-ocean views from Averill Park! With the right vision, (and laws and law enforcement structured to represent a community instead of the city of L.A.) San Pedro, city of color and contradictions, could be as charming as San Francisco!
I was born in San Pedro some 54 years ago (I grew up in Compton). I've lived in Colorado Springs, CO for over 20 years now, and it's also a nice place to live. But I ALWAYS come back to "Pedro" whenever I'm in town. I'll always have fond memories of San Pedro, it was so much nicer than Compton. Going to Cabrillo Beach, hanging out at Peck Park, and working during summer at "Fort Mac" are things you just can't do everywhere in Southern Calif.
I grew up in Pedro, went to Dana and SPHS and was in the class of W48 of just over a hundred. I entered the Coast Guard there and married there.
Coming from a protected society in Annapolis Md in the mid 1940s, I was introduced to many ethnic cultures.
Some were harsh, some molded my character and made me who I am today.
Pedro was good school for entering the world of people and the many sided cultures.
It changed my racial prejudicial views so that I married the grestest Latino woman I have ever known and have stayed in that marriage for 50 years.
Landmarks? I was all over that town, walking and biking in those days and later busing everywhere. Cabrillo Beach was my home in high school.
Pedro holds more memories, than Ventura, Mesa Arizona or now Littleton Colorado, good and bad, for me.
Thanks for the lessons Pedro.
Does anyone else know where you can be one block from an ATM, book store, coffee shop, two great restaurants, an Italian market, some art galleries, and a liquor store? Downtown SP is the only place I know in LA where you can do that, that I know in the LA area. I hear there are dangerous people that live in SP -- so totally unlike Downtown? ;). I appreciate the community too. Croatian longshoremen are much more authentic than yuppies.
San Pedro has the same East Coast ambience of a NYC or Baltimore neighborhood. If I couldn't live in Santa Monica or Pasadena, I'd definitely go back to San Pedro; and it's more affordable with a great commute to LA Central.
PS: I'm not in CA any more. I built my home in Mexico.
Heavy concentration of alcoholics and addicts. The kind of place where some of the people have never even been out of state and the mentality that goes with it. If it ain't San Pedro, it don't exist to them. Old Town 6th Ave looks charming at first but most shops remain closed most of the time, not that they offer much anyhow, and the food at the restaurants is sub par. Worst air quality w/ LA Port and geographical layout. All in all a nice view of Catalina from Pt. Fermin, but that's about it.
I grew up in San Pedro as a child into adulthood, left pedro in the mid 70's. parents,siblings, cousins burried at Green Hills, yea i have a lot of very fond memories of San Pedro, i think i walked every street, played ball at block field, avirell park, peck park. went swimming at all the public pools and in the summer went fishing for bonita of 22nd street. went to barton hill elem. school, dana junior high school and sphs. Loved every moment, it was as close as Mayberry as one could have lived. I dont live there anymore, but i still LOVE SAN PEDRO!
I love san pedro because I found my love there. It's such a hidden treasure after you drove throuhg the vincent thomas bridge and landed the the end of 25th street. Away from the smog and city noise, you walked to the beach without encountering a soul, in a hot summer night, with the ocean breeze whispering in your face, the moon above you, holding hands with your lover, all you hear is the waves pounding on the cliffs. It's like walking into a secret garden. Only one thing I don't like about San Pedro is the schools aren't no good by any standard. I'm in real estate business and lots of parents shy away because of the poor quality school system. That's why they say san pedro is poorman's P.V.
San Pedro is home. Pure and simple. Even though I don't live there any more, it is still, and always be where my heart lies. South Shores was a new development when we moved there in 1959. South Shores elementary was where I met friends that I still communicate with. Dana Jr. High brought new friends and experiences. SPHS, what can I say, I'm a Pirate for life!
It will always be home.
Kathy O'Haggarty Stanfield
SPHS Class of W '68
San Pedro is the last bastion of affordable housing close to the waterfront. It hosts the greatest mixture of classes, ranging from the elite in South Shores to the incoming immigrants on 1st and Pacific. What other town would have public housing adjacent to the waterfront? Some might think its bad planning, but I believe its what makes San Pedro home. Its the last downtown that's not cluttered with chain restaurants like Chili's and Islands, so that it can host gems like Nico's and the Brew Co.
The potential for San Pedro is tremendous. Too bad that its shackled to the City of Los Angeles.
Bring back the drive-in movie theater!!!
I bought my house for almost a million dollars. Instead of crying about the economy I made smart improvements to insure my "investment". In so doing, I found a new appreciation for San Pedro. Sure there are tough people here but I grew up in East L.A. and will bring the hammer down if the need arises. I used to live in Redondo and laughed as the millionaires played in the street with their kids for lack of a yard!..I have a yard, cool nieghbors and an awesome ocean view.
I see nothing wrong with crafters hawking their wares in downtown Pedro. Crafts are cooler than art now anyway. Always were now that I think of it.
I don't how long the previous poster expects to live, but in my lifetime I expect to see downtown Pedro get to be a lot more like West Washington, er, Abbott Kinney, in Venice.
While other communities may have scenic views of ocean or cityscape, San Pedro has that and more. It overlooks a working harbor that is always changing with the comings and goings of cruise and cargo ships, tugs, and private watercraft. Watch huge cranes unload shipping containers and muse about what they might contain, our consumer society, and the nation's trade deficit. Buy a scanner radio and listen to tugs communicating with arriving ships. Try to guess the nationality of the arriving captain based on his accented english. Watch a prominent cruise ship like the Queen Mary 2 come into port for a day and wonder who's on board, what they will see in L.A. on their day ashore, and what you would pick to show them from an Angeleno's perspective.
For me, San Pedro is mostly about views and reflection.
San Pedro is at the end of a narrow strip of LA freeway and with the port as its economic hub and its simultaneous nemesis, the town is insulated from typical LA life. Some would say backwater because the generations tend to stay here and settle - many of my children's friends went to school with kids whose grandparents attended the same school. Pride of place is stronger here than anywhere else I've lived. Jobs have been plentiful and lucrative (till lately) with the strong union contracts for longshoring. You don't need a lot of education to pull down a good paying job so people buy lots of toys and don't require cultural outlets unless it involves beer and blues or rock.
I deplore the lack of competitive fine food restaurants. We have plenty of cafes, ethnic and steakhouses but the best food is prepared in home kitchens. There are many good LA artists in residence in strorefronts and homes but they tend to stay underground while the wannabes and crafters take over the visible arts district commercial sites and open their doors for First Thursday events. The port keeps its eye on the major prize - shipping commerce - and grants lip service to change for downtown. But downtown was ruined in the late 70s and won't come back in my lifetime judging by the lack of progress beyond planning to plan and more planning. Still, it is spectacularly beautiful along the coast and the "lost in time" atmosphere suits a poet's soul so here I'll stay.
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